Capt William LIVEING [6266]

  General Notes:

Almost certainly matters concerning Capt William Liveing [6226] and Capt William Liveing [136] will be confused in this history.

Captions beside the sketch of Kings Street Harwich about 1860.
(1) Captain Thomas Liveing's house, before about 1814 had tiled gable roof like (4).
(2) Captain William Liveing's house built by Captain T.L in place of a cottage formerly there for his son.
(3) Captain Macdonough his wife of famous mems (sic) with shoulder of mutton hand - who wopped her daughter Suzanne uncle Henry's baby sweetheart - she also returned Dr Bailey his medicine untasted and said she had deducted it from his bill and said she expected him to give her servants are present.
(4) Mr Baxter the cabinet maker whose son Charles Liveing shot in the hinder parts
Ref: Red Book.

Essex Record Office D/DU 206/12
11 DEEDS DEPOSITED BY GUILDHALL LIBRARY
Dates of Creation1784-1796
Scope and ContentAccount book of William and Elizabeth Gill Liveing, 1785-1796, also executors' accounts, several receipts and releases of legacies, 1784-1796.

Harwich.
Monday last Capt William Liveing was elected a capital Burgess, and Mr William Randfield, Chamberlain, of this borough, in the room of the late Mr Edmund Jermyn. The event was celebrated by an excellent dinner at the Three Cups Tavern, which was attended by the Mayor, Body Corporate, and many friends of the successful candidates.
Ref: Ipswich Journal Saturday, May 7, 1825.

Navy List 1832 (Dec 20th) Pg 85
Packet & Revenue Vessels
His Majesty's Packet Vessels
Commissioned by the Admiralty.
Sloops of War fitted as Packets.
Harwich Station - Hired Vessels
Castlereagh - William Wadling
Earl of Leicester - Joh Hammond
Henry Fressling - Samuel Hart
Lady Nepean - William Liveing
Lord Duncan - James P Moon
Princess Charlotte - William Knocker Lt R.N.
Prince of Orange - Thomas Bridge
Vausittart - Joseph Mortelman.
In 1831 Belgium split away from Holland, they then invaded it, the French & the British supported Belgium independance and blockaded the Dutch ports as part of the action to force the Dutch to acceed to Belgium's claims which were ratified in a Treaty in 1839.June 28, 1834

London 14th October 183?
Received of the Executors of my late Uncle Capt Liveing of Harwich the sum of fifteen pounds L15 being the amount of Legacy bequeathed to me under the Will of my said Uncle
W Liveing
Ref: D/DU 206/14 ESS RO

William is said not to have married
Ref: Image 047 Red Book an early tree compiled by Anne Hand 1868 found at Copford

It remains unproven what if any of the above references pertain to Capt William Liveing [136]

  Other Records

1. Capt William Liveing Jnr: Various documents, 19th C.
Contract and instructions from Post Master General 1822 & sundry notes

2. Capt William Liveing Jnr: Various documents, 19th C.
1822 Contract with the Postmaster General to carry mails on his Packet Boat the Lady Nepean on Station from Harwich later in 1834 on Station from Weymouth

3. William Liveing: Affidavit & Receipt and Discharge for Legacy from Grandfather Robert Liveing [427], 7 Sep 1796, Harwich.
Borough of Harwich.
Elizabeth Liveing of Harwich aforesaid widow maketh oath and saith that William Liveing her son and a Legatee named in the last Will & Testament of his Grandfather Robert Liveing [427] late of Harwich aforesaid Gentleman deceased and of his Uncle Robert Liveing late of the same place Gentleman deceased was born on or about the fifth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy five and that he is now of the full age of twenty one years.
Elizabeth Liveing.
Sworn at Harwich in the County of Essex the sixth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety six before me.
T Sharman
Mayor.

To all to Whom these presents shall come William Liveing grandson of Robert Liveing late of Harwich in the County of Essex gentlemen deceased sendeth greeting. Whereas the said Robert Liveing had by his last will and testament in writing bearing date the 27th day of April 1785 did give and bequeath unto his executrix and executor therein after appointed and to the survivors of them . . . All his household goods furniture plate china linen and utensils then in the possession of his daughter in law Elizabeth Liveing widow and which were particularly mention in a bill of sale thereof made to him by his late son William Liveing deceased dated the 11th day of February 1780.
Upon Trust that they his said executor and executrix should permit his said daughter in law to have ready use and enjoy the same until his said grandson William Liveing and granddaughter Elizabeth Gill Liveing respectively attained the age of 21 years. And upon further trust that as they his said grandson and granddaughter respectively attained the said age they his said executrix and executor or should assign makeover and deliver unto each of them his said grandson and granddaughter one equal half part and share of the said household goods furniture plate china linen and utensils as such part or parts thereof as should be then remaining. And whereas the said Robert Liveing did also by his said will give and bequeath unto his executrix and executor or therein after named or the survivor of them . . . All other the estates both real and personal whatsoever and wheresoever which he should be possessed of interested in and entitled to at the time of his decease.
Upon Trust the executors his daughter Martha Saunders and his son Thomas Liveing to invest £330 the proceeds to the bringing up and benefit of his grandson William Liveing and his granddaughter Elizabeth Gill Liveing until the ages of 21 when such sum is to be paid to each in equal share.
Now know Ye that the said William Liveing in consideration thereof doth hereby declare and acknowledge that he hath this day receive of and from the said Martha Saunders and Thomas Liveing. It is and discharge of an for his half part or share of the aforementioned household goods furniture plate china linen and utensils and of and for his half part or share of the said principle sum of £330 and the dividends interest and proceeds which have arisen and accrued there from. . . . . . . The said William Liveing doth for himself his heirs executors and administrators are acquit release and discharge the said Martha Sanders and Thomas Liveing respectively for ever by these presents. And further for the consideration aforesaid doth release discharge the said Martha Saunders and Thomas Liveing . . . . from any claim or demand etc for ever . . . . . .
In Witness whereof the said William Liveing hath hereunto set his hand and seal the 7th day of September in the year of our Lord 1796
William Liveing (seal)

Signed and delivered in the presence of J Shearman Jnr
Wm Cowper

Ref ESS RO 1775 D/DU 206/12 - 2003

4. William Liveing: Receipt and Discharge for Legacy from Uncle Robert Liveing [6253], 7 Sep 1796, Harwich.
Borough of Harwich.
Elizabeth Liveing of Harwich aforesaid widow maketh oath and saith that William Liveing her son and a Legatee named in the last Will & Testament of his Grandfather Robert Liveing late of Harwich aforesaid Gentleman deceased and of his Uncle Robert Liveing late of the same place Gentleman deceased was born on or about the fifth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy five and that he is now of the full age of twenty one years.
Elizabeth Liveing.
Sworn at Harwich in the County of Essex the sixth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety six before me.
T Sharman
Mayor.

To all to Whom these presents shall come William Liveing nephew of Robert Liveing [6253] late of Harwich in the County of Essex gentlemen deceased sendeth greeting. Whereas the said Robert Liveing had by his last will and testament in writing bearing date the 2nd day of Aug 1786 did give and bequeath unto his Sister Martha Saunders (wife of John Saunders) and his brother Thomas Liveing his executrix and executor . . . . . the real estate therein mentioned and all his estate both real and personal whatsoever and wheresoever Upon Trust that they his said executor and executrix should dispose thereof and (after payment of his just debts funeral expenses and the charges of proving or otherwise concerning his will) should Layard in place on interest or mortgage etc etc . . . . . One fourth part of the money arising to and for the maintenance and education and bringing up of his said nephew William Liveing until he shall attain the age of 21 years. And upon his attaining such age should assign transfer and makeover to him the said fourth share aforesaid. . . . . .
And whereas the said Robert Liveing shortly after making the said will departed this life without having altered or revoked the same and the said Martha Sanders and Thomas Liveing did thereupon duly prove the same and took upon themselves the burden of the execution thereof.
And whereas the said Martha Saunders and Thomas Liveing did accordingly invest the sum of £104 part of the sum of £116 2s 10½d (which said sum of £116 2s 10½d was one full 4th part of the sum of
£464.11s 6½d the produce of the estate of the said Robert Liveing.
Money so invested towards the maintenance education and bringing up of the said William Liveing who have lately attained his said age of 21 years. . . . . .
Now know Ye that the said William Liveing in consideration thereof and of the said sum of £12 2s 10½d so expended (on him for education etc) as aforesaid doth hereby acknowledge and declared that he hath this day receive of and from the said Martha Saunders and Thomas Liveing. It is and discharge of and for the said sum of £116 2s 10½d being one fourth part of the neat produce of the estate and effects of the said Robert Liveing . . . .
The said William Liveing doth for himself his heirs executors and administrators are acquit release and discharge the said Martha Sanders and Thomas Liveing respectively for ever by these presents. And further for the consideration aforesaid doth release discharge the said Martha Saunders and Thomas Liveing . . . . from any claim or demand etc for ever . . . . . .
In Witness whereof the said William Liveing hath hereunto set his hand and seal the 7th day of September in the year of our Lord 1796
William Liveing (seal)

Signed and delivered in the presence of J Shearman Jnr
Wm Cowper

Ref ESS RO 1775 D/DU 206/12 - 2003

5. William Liveing & others: Family memories By Dr Edward Liveing, 1870.
Liveing Archive

Copy of the notes made July 1870 by Edward Liveing FRCP, by E H T Liveing (c1920's). 02

Capt Liveing (Snr) died October 1836 at his house at Harwich; his wife in January 1837 at her son Edward at Nayland. She was well when she went there and was taken with the epidemic of influenza then prevailing and died of bronchitis.
Capt William Liveing went to Weymouth about 1833 - 34. He had a house previously in Harwich (not the one he first occupied, in King Street next to his father's) belonging to Mr Thorogood bought by him for Capt Liveing's benefit. He was at Weymouth about seven years. The Lady Nepean was sold, at Harwich, the Govt giving Capt William Liveing £1700 (they sold it after for £400) with the breaking up and the transfer of the service to Weymouth. All the captains of packet service at Harwich were ranked as Masters and Commanders so to secure half pay as naval commanders viz £150 or £120. Capt Liveing senior son was given a commission and the price of packet instead of he himself receiving a retiring pension.
Capt William Liveing's vessel at Weymouth was The Flavier a lady's name changed afterwards named the Firefly. He was paid £1000 a year in service perhaps seven years. The naval officers were jealous that he should hold a birth of this good kind and they persuaded him to retire on pension of hundred £120 this was done under cover of a medical exam and certificate that his eyesight was bad. There were disputes about the ranks of these commanders ye Harwich packets in Harwich. E.g. on one occasional sprig of nobility in a man of war went on Board Capt G Deane's packet and asked for the master, Capt Deane sent for the mate, saying this is the master. Are you not the master then? No, I am commander. Uncle Henry says they held an admiralty commission in post office services. Another dispute was that Capt Bridge was so elated by his intimacy to the Hope family and the Prince of Orange (whom he carried over) that on one occasion on his return, he impudently hoisted a Commodores flag and a naval officer came and hauled it down.
Capt Liveing Snr began sea life with Capt Saunders who commanded the Revenue Cutter Argus. (He it was who picked up Major Money¹, the celebrated Aeronaut when he fell into the N sea) it was while Capt Liveing was mate of the Argus (his uncle Saunders being drunk in bed) that Capt Liveing (his brother-in-law) piloted the Baltic fleet into the Texel. (Lord Nelson in command) on another occasion whether on the Argos or the Isis not known, he did the same office into Copenhagen had to sound perpetually to ascertain if there was water enough for the men of war.
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After serving in the Argos Capt Liveing Snr served in the Iris which he commanded (as Master). She was a rev [enue] Cutter and tender on the Adml in the Baltic fleet. He was at the siege of Boulogne, one of those unfortunate boating expeditions. Amongst other places of service he was specially commissioned, at one time to take Johnson a notorious smuggler who was supposed to convey tidings to the French, Capt Liveing was once in the same room to him without knowing it. At that time (the old war) too there was much privateering which gave the cutters plenty of work. Afterwards when the naval war was over his services were less in request and he joined the packet service; they were private vessels (that is the goodwill and vessels were bought by those commanding (or masters) but hired or chartered by Govt, for P.O. service. He had the Lady Nepean named after the admiral which afterwards went to his son Capt William Liveing. Capt T Liveing Snr twice conveyed the French Royal Family (except the King Louis XVIII) viz, afterwards? Charles X and his family to Holland.

Capt W Liveing Junior. There were not packets enough for the service and the commanders of them agreed to fund four vessels themselves and Commanders or Masters for the Govt at certain contract. Captain Liveing Snr had a share in this and the appointment of his son Capt W Liveing as master of one of them the Thetis. (He had previously served as a sailor on his father's vessel the Lady Nepean) Capt W Liveing lost the Thetis on the rocks off Jutland, Court-Martial of captains acquitted him. After that his father resigned his command of the Nepean in his favour, which he secured to him through his friend . . . . . Lord Bexley (the Honourable Nicholas Vansittart Chancellor of Exchequer and MP for Harwich Lord High Steward of Harwich (see Portrait in Town Hall)
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The same kind friend procured for his next son Mr Charles Liveing (who had been brought up as a farmer) the position of clerk In the National Debt Office, in which he rose to be Chief Clerk. (C Liveing was apprenticed to Mr Wallanger at Finborough, his father paid £100 per annum for his learning, wheat fell to £7 a load in 1822 and farming became a bad business).

Baileys of Harwich. "Grandfather Bailey was a member of Corp: and a builder (the house he lived in and built was that in West Street where Mr George Deane lived) John Bailey his eldest son, apprenticed to Mr Hopkins, a surgeon (attended the livings &) he became surgeon and wrote a tr on Bella donna plant. So good that University of Paris conferred Doctor of M.D. on him. He married a Mrs Brooks (of Ipswich?) A first or second cousin of Capt Liveing Snr of Harwich. Another son was surgeon at Thetford successful and two daughters Mrs Sewell Oakley Mrs Sampson Harwich. John Bailey some, were 1 John Hopkins 2 . . . . . 3 Brooke 4 Alen 5 Edgar and two daughters Mrs Head of Ipswich and the other engaged to a army cadet, who used to be at Tendering, broken off. Brooke Bailey married his cousin Emily Sanson) was killed at siege of Leone Etan.)
Old Hopkins became "clerk of ye check" and repeatedly Mayor of Harwich. Very wealthy £70,000. He put Mr John Baileys son J H B to college £500 per annum at Trinity College (Camb). He was clergyman at or near Baddow Essex (about uncle Henry's age) Hebrew scholar at Cambridge, was here and at Westminster School. Hopkins left £10,000 to Mr Hales who married Miss Catherine Stevens (once a sweetheart out of many of Charles Liveing. Very good looking he is now Mayor of Harwich (1870).

Grandfather Fenn of Coddenham had one son Robert, Capt in Yeomanry, who succeeded him in house and farm (Rectory farm belonged to Longe) and married Miss Harriet Liveing, and four daughters two married men in Brad Street one of whom was steward and managing agent of the grandfather of the present Sir N Brooke Middleton of Shrubland Hall by Ipswich and Coddenham one married Mr Goodwin of Stowmarket? a jack of all trades - sharp - like old Thorogood, children disliked him. Another married Mr Sherman farmer & miller.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money_(aeronaut)