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Commander Thomas LIVEING R N [230]
(1760-1836)
Harriet HARROLD [231]
(1762-1837)
George DOWNING [96]
(1762-1800)
Mary ALSTON [91]
(1761-1842)
Dr Edward LIVEING M.R.C.S. [98]
(Abt 1795-1843)
Catherine Mary DOWNING [97]
(1798-1872)

Harriet LIVEING [107]
(1836-1903)

 

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Spouses/Children:
1. Rev William Archibald MACDONALD M.A. [988]

Harriet LIVEING [107]

  • Born: 9 Jun 1836
  • Baptised: 16 Jul 1836, Nayland SFK
  • Marriage (1): Rev William Archibald MACDONALD M.A. [988] on 5 Sep 1875 in Loughill Church Co Limerick Ireland
  • Died: 14 Jul 1903 aged 67
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bullet  General Notes:


Marriages.
MacDonald = Liveing. September 5 at Longhill Church, Co Limerick, by the Rev J Gabbett, MA, Vicar of Shanagolden, the Rev William Archibald MacDonald, BA, ex-scholar Trinity College, Dublin, to Harriett, daughter of the late Edward Liveing, Esq, Surgeon, Nayland. Suffolk.
Ref: Freemans Journal Thursday, 9 September 1875

MacDonald - Liveing : 5th inst., at Loughill Church co Limerick, Ireland by the Rev R J Gabbett M.A. Vicar of Shanagolden, the Rev William Archibald MacDonald, B.A., ex-Scholar Trinity College Dublin, to Harriet, daughter of the late Edward Liveing Esq., Surgeon, Nayland, Suffolk.
Ref: Freemans Journal 9 September 1875
Ref: Ipswich Journal 11 September 1875.

bullet  Research Notes:


Birth date variations 5 Jun, 10 Jul, 1836
Red Book

Baptism Date alternative 10 Jul 1836

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bullet  Other Records

1. Census: England, 7 Jun 1841, Bures St Nayland SFK. Harriet is described as aged 15 born SFK

2. Census: England, 30 Mar 1851, Thorington Cottage Stoke by Nayland SFK. Harriet is described as aged 14 a scholar at home born Nayland SFK



3. Harriet Liveing: Letter to her brother, 19 May 1852, Denmark Hill LND.
Liveing Archive: Image Letter 12 a b

Denmark Hill
May 19th (c1852)
My dear Edward
I was so sorry that there was no one here when you came last Sunday: Aunt wished me to write to you & ask you if you could not come next Sunday, as I do not think of going home till next week. She said she should be very glad to see you on Saturday night to sleep, if you could do so, but I suppose that would be impossible - I left New Cross on Friday last. The Macnamara's were very kind in taking
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me about. Aunt found Mrs Torlesse's and Fanny's card here, when she returned from Copford & Aunt Fenn told us that they had been in London.
Believe me ever you're very affectionte sister
Harriet Liveing

4. Census: England, 8 Apr 1861, Thorington St Stoke by Nayland SFK. Harriet is described as a daughter unmarried aged 24 born Nayland SFK



5. Harriet Liveing: Letter to her Uncle Henry T Liveing, 14 Feb 1864, Torquay.
Liveing Archive: Images IMG 3624 - 3627

6 Lomer Tce
Torquay
Feb 14th
My dear Uncle
I gave your message to Mrs Majendie the first opportunity I had, and I received the enclosed from her last night. You will see by her note that the seals are hers, will you please return them to me as well as Dr Middleton's mottoe. The autograph is for you to keep. Mrs Majendie has done the best she could for you. She said she did not know whether she could get a colored (sic ) drawing of the Bishop's Arms. I suppose she does not know where to get his Crest. Mr Ward is Mrs Majendie's brother. They both seem to have a very pleasant remembrance
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of Tansor.
Dr Fripp's Organ built by Mr Walker is a beauty I do not now understand how it is softened, though Dr Fripp tried to explain it to me - It is not entirely enclosed in the Swell. The Pedal types are so very pleasant not too much for the room though very effective. The 2d row of keys act on the Swell which seems
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curious. The Dulciana is so pretty I have never heard any Organ playing I think so nice has Dr Fripp's. He has a Grand Pianoforte which his Daughters play with the Organ. I heard them all play the Overture to "Athalie" & it was very nice not at all disagreeably loud, though the Organ is quite a large Organ for a house. I was sorry to hear that Mr Cannington had been behaving so badly. I hope he will not continue to do so. We have cold East wind today Nelly's cough has been troublesome this week, but this is the first day she has not been out.
With best love from us all to you and Mary
I remain your very affectionate niece dear Uncle
Harriet Liveing
Note on letter "Aunt Harriett to Uncle Henry prob 1864"

6. Census: England, 2 Apr 1871, 1 Sussex Villas Cambridge CAM. Harriet was described as a daughter unmarried aged 34 born Nayland SFK



7. Harriet Liveing: Letter to her Brother Edward Liveing, 2 Aug 1873, Copford Lodge ESS.
Liveing Archive
255a Liveing Harriet Jnr 107 to E Liveing 100 re Alstons 2 Aug 1873 Pgs 1,4 of 13
The transcriber has not replicated Harriet's abbreviations, the pages are not in order.

Copford Lodge.
Nr Colchester
Augst 2d 1873.

My dear Edward
I have been staying lately with cousin's Margaret1 and Sam2 at Nayland. The former thought the "Blue Man"3 had better be photographed for you whilst I was there, as there seemed some difficulty in accomplishing it, which appeared to be from fear lest any thing should happen to the picture, more particularly the frame which is so worm eaten, as Sam would be so much troubled she said, if any accident befell it. I promised to do anything I could, as conveying it to and from Faiers house if necessary etc, but when we spoke to Faiers about it he said he
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would come and photograph it in the courtyard, which he did with myself holding it. He undertook to do it for 2/-and he photographed it twice and let me have the two photographs which I send you. He said unless he might take it out of the frame he should not do it better than he has done, as the glass prevents its coming out better - I hope this is the size you wished, Faiers said he photographed in three sizes, and this is the medium one, which I thought would be the best. He suggested that you would greatly improve the photograph by colouring it. Did you know that on the back of the portrait is written Mr Beeston Coyte fixit 1752. Walter Coyte's name is Walter Beeston
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Coyte, Margaret says. The traditional story about this artist Mr B. Coyte, she says, is, that he was in some difficulties and was concealed for some time by Mr Alston in the house at Nayland, when he executed these family portraits. I daresay you may have heard the story before but I did not remember hearing it before - Cousin Sam seemed quite interested when he heard Faiers had been to photograph the picture; as after he had seen the photographs he remarked to me, how astounded our great grandfather would have been should he have known that one day his portrait would be taken by a machine and the sun light.
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it would have made his wig fall off his head!
Annie and George Hand4 with Basil had preceded me in a visit to their uncle and aunt, and whilst they were in the old house, Annie amused herself, in looking at the old parchments, of which there are a good many in a box in the room with the carved roof. They were turned out of the office Margaret thinks before Sam's time. Out of those which Annie had gathered out of the collection, I sorted a few which I found related to some of the Alston's of Newton and Boxford. You may perhaps have seen these law deeds when you were filling up the Alston pedigree but I have made notes of them which I send, and tied the parchment together in one packet but I have not half looked through the box, and do not know whether Annie has got through it or not.
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The deed in Latin (No 2) I could not read easily, but I think it was about some land at Gestingthorpe.
The name of the house or Hamlet in Newton, in No 4, I could not make out, the capital letter and three or four letters in the middle are so peculiar. Perhaps you know where those Alston's lived in Newton.
The note to Mr Vanderzee5 from John Noyes6 I have copied just as it is - Margaret thought it interesting because she did not remember that Mr Vanderzee had been in business at Nayland before her father, but concluded from this he was - I have been making several visits, and end with a week here for I was afraid of giving offence
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if I did not come to Copford before returning to Cambridge, but my inclinations would have taken me back this week in preference to coming here. Betty I think likes having me and says so, and I am very glad to see Harry, as he looks well and seems enjoying himself. He is gone to Colchester with John today - The Ambroses7 seen both in better health altogether I think Betty wishes me to thank you with her love for what you wrote to her about Copford Church and to say it interested her very much - I left Nayland on Tuesday as Margaret had Theodore8 and his sister coming the next day - Her visitors have been very constant this summer!
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Mrs Boggis-Rolfe, had often asked me to stay with her at Wormingford and having again invited me just now, I went for a few days, and liked my visit much. I left her on Friday and came here. Do you know the house where she lives, and where her Aunt Miss Ann Rolfe lived before? "Maidstones", the garden is very pretty and old-fashioned, and the house partly old and nice altogether. She is an eccentric creature but most kind and hospitable, and keeps I should think the whole parish comfortable as far as she can. Her stepson, Frank, has married some time ago, and is just removed from Granville Pl: to the old house in Hasewood[?] Sq: the baby was with its
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Grandmamma at Wormingford whilst I was there - I saw as much as I could of Mrs Torlesse, Priscilla9, and Fanny10, but there was no possibility of their having me after I reached Nayland, excepting one night when I slept with Fanny. I thought Mr Torlesse11 looking altered, but wonderfully bright at times, varying through the day. It was a great pleasure to see him and I was glad to hear him preach last Sunday evening, as perhaps I never may again. I thought Fanny just now looking better than Priscilla, neither being quite up to having so many nephews and nieces at one time. Old James made many enquiries for yourself and all of us, and sent messages. Many people enquired particularly about you; Sir Charles especially seemed troubled you were ill, Mr Birch and Mrs John Brown, Mrs W Danniell, and
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made many enquiries about us and I wish I could hear you were better. You want more of a change than Tansor could afford I feel sure. I am very glad Uncle12 has had you both, and Margaret, as I know it was a pleasure to him, and I hope poor man he is more comfortable since your visits, and the pain in his head and eye gone - Old James hoped he might be able to leave his wife and go to Tansor the end of this week, for a long hoped-for visit - She is very infirm but cheered up a little when ever I saw her - My first visit was to Mrs Fisher for a fortnight, and I found her wonder-
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-fully well for her age. She is restless like poor old Marion, fancies she should like to go into lodgings at Colchester, instead of living in her own house - I doubt the advantage if she does so, but probably she will never do it - I must leave off scribbling - have not heard whether the Howard's13 have come to terms about any house yet - Kind love to you and Tassie and all. I don't know whether Margaret returned with you from Tansor.
Ever dear Edward your very affectionate sister
Harriet Liveing.
PS
I saw Theodore and thought he looked a fine strong fellow and very agreeable.

Footnotes
1. Margaret Alston of Alston Court [67]
2. Samuel Alston of Alston Court [63]
3. The "Blue Man" Samuel Alston [640] by Beeston Coyte 1752
4. Annie Hand nee Fenn [4]
5. Jacobus Vanderzee attorney at law [120]
6. See Edward Alston [2795] party to this indenture
7. John Ambrose Rev [7037]
8. Theodore Fenn [8]
9. Priscilla Torlesse [1669]
10. Fanny Torlesse [1681]
11. Torlesse C M Rev. [1633]
12. Liveing Henry T Rev of Tansor [2038]
13. Howard William [986]

8. Census: Ireland, 1901, Albert Road Dublin Ireland. Harriet is recorded as a wife aged 64 born in England


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Harriet married Rev William Archibald MACDONALD M.A. [988] [MRIN: 318], son of Archibald MACDONALD [14802] and Anne KENNAN [14803], on 5 Sep 1875 in Loughill Church Co Limerick Ireland. (Rev William Archibald MACDONALD M.A. [988] was born in 1841 in Enniskerry co Wicklow IRL and died on 6 Oct 1911 in Chalfont St Peter BKM.)


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