Dr Edward LIVEING M.D. F.R.C.P. [100]

  General Notes:

Edward went to Mr Mosly's School Ipswich.

Edward Liveing
b.8 Feb 1832 d.2 Apr 1919
BA MD Cantab MRCS FRCP (1874)
Edward Liveing was born at Nayland, Suffolk, the second son of Edward Liveing, a medical practitioner, and his wife Catherine, only daughter of George Downing, barrister, of Lincoln's Inn. For his medical education he attended King's College, London, and, in 1854, after qualifying as M.R.C.S, he went up to Caius College, Cambridge. He graduated in mathematics in 1858 and in medicine in 1859, and then obtained the newly instituted membership of the Royal College of Physicians. He returned to King's College Hospital as an assistant physician in 1860, and later became consulting physician to the Marylebone General Dispensary. For two years (1870-71) he acted as examiner in medicine at Cambridge. Both Caius and King's College, London, elected him to fellowships. Liveing, however, was chiefly remembered for his services to the Royal College of Physicians. After three years as Assistant Registrar, he succeeded Sir Henry Pitman as Registrar in 1889, and the honorary title of Emeritus Registrar was conferred on him on his retirement in 1909. He was twice married: firstly, in 1854 to Frances, daughter of Lieut. Henry Torlesse, R.N, police magistrate at Hobart, by whom he had three sons and two daughters ; and, secondly, in 1893 to Harriet Susan, daughter of Rev. Canon J. Wilson Brown, rector of Stowlangtoft, Suffolk. His younger brother, Robert Liveing, F.R.C.P, predeceased him by a few weeks.
Lancet, 1919.
B.M.J., 1919.
Lyle, 124.
Biog.Hist.of Caius College, ii, 318.

Edward. Liveing College:CAIUS Entered:Michs. 1854
Adm. pens. at CAIUS, June 26, 1854. [2nd] s. of Edward, surgeon, of Nayland, Suffolk. B. there [Feb. 8], 1832. School, King's College, London. Matric. Michs. 1854; B.A. 1858; M.B. 1859; M.D. 1870. At King's College Hospital. M.R.C.S. 1854; M.R.C.P. 1859; F.R.C.P. 1874. Assistant physician at King's College Hospital. Assistant Registrar, Royal College of Physicians, 1886-9; Registrar, 1889-1909. Consulting physician, St Marylebone general dispensary. In practice at 52, Cavendish Square, 1870-1919. Fellow of King's College, London. Married, 1854, Frances, only dau. of Lieut. Henry Torlesse, R.N., Police Magistrate at Hobart. Died Apr. 2, 1919. Brother of the next and of Robert (1852). (Venn, II. 318; Medical Directories; Who was Who, 1916-28.)
Ref:Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900

Register Of Passport Applications 1851-1903
Edward Liveing
Application year1853 & 1854
Archive referenceFO 611/3 & FO611/4
Foreign Office: Chief Clerk's Department and Passport Office:
SeriesFO 611
The National Archives

At Edward's wedding as the guests stood around the altar rails a large frog hopped out during the service, then at the reception in a tent in the garden, a swarm of bees settled on the wedding cake!
Marriage ref Sep quarter 1854 Sudbury 4a 546 BDM

He lived in Cambridge as an undergraduate soon after his marriage.

University Intelligence. Cambridge June 18 At a Congregation holden today the undermentioned degrees were conferred: M. B. Edward Liveing, Caius College.
Ref: The Daily News 20th June 1859.

Royal College of Physicians. At the Comitia Majora held yesterday, the following gentleman, having undergone the necessary examination, were admitted members of the college. Edward Liveing M. B., Park Terrace, Highbury.
Ref: The Daily News 23rd December 1859.

His London address in 1869 was 52 Queen Anne St Cavendish Sq MDX

University Intelligence Cambridge May 5. At a Congregation held today at 2 p.m. the following degrees were conferred: M. D. Edward Liveing, Caius. Ref: Pall Mall Gazette 6 May 1870

1876 Edward is registered as a shareholder in the Gt Western Railway

Liveing Edward. 52 Queen Anne Sq Cavendish W.
Business Directory of London 1884

The Court.
The Prince and Princess of Wales.
Marlborough House, Monday.
The Prince of Wales was admitted at Marlborough House today to the Honorary Fellowship of the Royal College of Physicians of London, to which he was recently elected in comitia of the College. The following officers of the institution were present: . . . . . Dr Edward Liveing, Registrar.
Ref: extracted from The Daily News 20 July 1897.

The Times for April 1919 pg 15 col E.
Obituary
Dr Edward Liveing. The death of Dr Edward Liveing, Emeritus Registrar of the Royal College of Physicians of London, occurred on Wednesday night. The second son of Edward Liveing MRCS., of Nayland, Suffolk, he was born in February 1832 and was educated at King's College, London, and at Caius College, Cambridge, obtaining honours at the University in mathematics in 1858, and graduating M.B. in 1859 and M. D. in 1870. He was at one time examiner in medicine to the University. His connection with the Royal College of Physicians dated from 1859, when he obtained, by examination, the membership, being elected a fellow in 1874. He was appointed Assistant Registrar in 1886, and on the resignation of the late Sir Henry Pitman in 1889 was elected Registrar, an office he held for 20 years. Dr Liveing was a fellow and formerly a member of Council of King's College London, and Assistant physician to King's College Hospital. He was the author of a book, valuable in its day on "Megrim a Contribution to the Pathology Of Nerve Storms". Dr Liveing's younger brother, Dr Robert Liveing, died last February. His elder brother, Dr George Downing Liveing, FRS., was Professor of Chemistry for 47 years at Cambridge and is still resident there.

LIVEING, Edward (1832-1919)
Details: LIVEING, Edward, MD (Cantab); FRCP; Registrar of the Royal College of Physicians, 1889-1909, Emeritus Registrar, 1909; Consulting Physician, St Marylebone General Dispensary; born Nayland, Suffolk, 8 February 1832; 2nd son of Edward Liveing and Catherine, only daughter of Geo. Downing, Barrister, Lincoln's Inn; married 1st, 1854, Frances (died 1885), only daughter of Lt Henry Torlesse, RN, Police Magistrate at Hobart; three sons two daughters; 2nd, 1898, Harriet Susan, eldest daughter of Rev. J. Wilson Brown, Rector of Stowlangtoft, Suffolk, and Hon. Canon of Ely. Education: King's College, London; Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge; BA Math. Honours, 1858; MB 1859; MD 1870. FRCP 1874. Work: Examiner in Medicine, University of Cambridge, 1870-1871; Fellow and late Member of Council, King's College, London; formerly Assistant Physician to King's College Hospital. Publications: On Megrim, a contribution to the pathology of Nerve Storms. Address: 52 Queen Anne Street, Cavendish Square, London W. Died: 2 April 1919
Ref: Know UK CD - Colin Foot

EDWARD LIVEING, M.D. CANTAB., F.R.C.P.,
Emeritus Registrar, Royal College of Physicians.
By the death of Dr. Edward Liveing, which occurred on April 2nd in his 88th year, the medical profession loses one of its oldest members. He was born at Nayland in Suffolk in 1832 the second son of Mr Edward Liveing, a medical practitioner who had long been settled in that district. After obtaining his preliminary education at King's College, London, he began to study medicine at King's College Hospital, and obtained the diploma of M.R.C.S. in 1854. After this he entered at Caius College, and in 1858 graduated in the mathematical tripos, obtaining the thirtieth place among the senior optimes.
In the following year Dr. Liveing took the degree of M.B., and passed the newly instituted examination for the membership of the Royal College of Physicians of London.
In 1870 he graduated M.D.Cambridge, and in 1874 was elected a Fellow of the College. He was, besides, a Fellow of King's College, for a time assistant physician to King's College Hospital, and examiner in medicine at Cambridge in 1870-71.
In 1886 Dr. Liveing was appointed Assistant Registrar of the College of Physicians, and, on the resignation of Sir Henry Pitman in 1889, Registrar. This important post he held for twenty years, and throughout the whole time he conducted the work of his department with ability and invariable courtesy, which earned him the respect of all with whom he came in contact. On his retirement from the post in 1909 the honorary distinction of Emeritus Registrar was conferred upon him.
Dr Liveing's only publication was On Megrim: a Contribution. to the Study of Nerve Storms, a book which was much esteemed in its day. His younger brother, Dr. Robert Liveing, died a few weeks ago, well over 80, and his eldest brother, Professor G. D. Liveing of Cambridge, still survives, having attained the age of 92, a remarkable record of longevity in a family.
Ref: The British Medical Journal, 12 April 1919.

Munk's Roll : Volume IV
Edward Liveing
b.8 February 1832 d.2 April 1919
MRCS (1854) BA Cantab (1858) MD MRCP FRCP (1874)
Edward Liveing was born at Nayland, Suffolk, the second son of Edward Liveing, a medical practitioner, and his wife Catherine, only daughter of George Downing, barrister, of Lincoln's Inn. For his medical education he attended King's College, London, and, in 1854, after qualifying as M.R.C.S, he went up to Caius College, Cambridge. He graduated in mathematics in 1858 and in medicine in 1859, and then obtained the newly instituted membership of the Royal College of Physicians. He returned to King's College Hospital as an assistant physician in 1860, and later became consulting physician to the Marylebone General Dispensary. For two years (1870-71) he acted as examiner in medicine at Cambridge. Both Caius and King's College, London, elected him to fellowships. Liveing, however, was chiefly remembered for his services to the Royal College of Physicians. After three years as Assistant Registrar, he succeeded Sir Henry Pitman as Registrar in 1889, and the honorary title of Emeritus Registrar was conferred on him on his retirement in 1909. He was twice married: firstly, in 1854 to Frances, daughter of Lieut. Henry Torlesse, R.N, police magistrate at Hobart, by whom he had three sons and two daughters ; and, secondly, in 1893 to Harriet Susan, daughter of Rev. Canon J. Wilson Brown, rector of Stowlangtoft, Suffolk. His younger brother, Robert Liveing, F.R.C.P, predeceased him by a few weeks.
G H Brown
[Lancet, 1919; B.M.J., 1919; Lyle, 124; Biog.Hist.of Caius College, ii, 318] (Munks Roll Volume IV, page 227)

In Memoriam: E. L.
On 8th of April 1919, Dr Edward Liveing, FRCP., of 52 Queen Street London, was laid to rest at Stoke Churchyard in the shadow of the Church he loved, at the age of 87.
He was the 2nd son of Edward Liveing, MRCS of Nayland, the beloved physician of the neighbourhood in his generation, and followed his father's profession.
Born in 1832 at Nayland, he was educated at King's College, London, and Caius College, Cambridge, and then practised (as a consultant) in London, becoming assistant physician to Kings College Hospital. He was elected a fellow of the Royal College of physicians in 1874, and registrar in 1889 (an office he held for 20 years). His book on "Megrim, a contribution to the Pathology of Nervestorms," made him an authority on nervous diseases, and it still remains a medical classic.
Dr Liveing's life was bound up with Stoke. His mother, Katherine Dowling, was bought up there; his own boyhood was spent at Thorrington Street; his first wife, Frances Jane Torlesse, was nieice and his second wife, Harriet Susan Brown great-niece of the Rev C M Torlesse, so long Vicar of the parish. He was intensely interested in the historical associations of Stoke, and had planned to write a history of the Stour Valley. But the blindness which saddened the last years of his life prevented him from attempting to carry out his wishes.
His elder brother, Dr George Downing Liveing, F RS., Was Prof of chemistry at Cambridge for 47 years, and though in his 92nd year is president of St Johns College Cambridge, and leads an active life. His younger brother, Dr Robert Liveing, well known as an authority on dermatology, died last February.
"Honour the Physician, for verily the Lord hath created him." These words of the wise man of old are especially applicable to Edward Liveing, for the outstanding features of a most lovable character were devotion to duty, courtesy, self-effacement, and a fine sense of honour. This was shown in his extraordinary conscientiousness in the treatment of patients, in his work as Registrar, in which he upheld the highest traditions of the profession, and in his scorn of all methods of self-seeking. His standard of life was that which was right in the sight of God, and it was upheld at all costs. His example may help younger men to realise the solemnity of their calling in the sight of the Lord who created the Physician. Requiescat in Pace.
Ref: Liveing Archive Image IMG 3496.

Edward's grave is marked by a cross - Ref; Partridge 416 J426/85

The Will of Edward Liveing M.D. of 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq MDX who died 2 Apr 1919 was proved London 29 May 1919 to Edward Henry Torlesse Liveing mining engineer, Rev Edward Henry George Dowling Liveing clerk, and William Francis Robert Liveing solicitor at £9449 7s 5d.

At Edward's death his home at 52 Queen Anne St Cavendish Square was sold, the contents auctioned on Wednesday & Thursday the 2nd & 3rd of July 1919. The sale was of 653 lots and realised £1073 4s 6p.
The sale catalogue and a description of each lot is published in the Books section of this website and contains an interesting list of the accoutrements contained in a wealthy Victorian houshold.
http://www.thekingscandlesticks.com/index_htm_files/Sale%20of%20Edward%20Liveings%20Effects%202%20Jul%201919%2001.pdf

  Research Notes:

Liveing Archive data courtesy of Anthony R T Liveing - 2011

Alternative Baptism Date 10 Mar 1832

Royal College of Physicians of London:
ESTATE RECORDS
Catalogue Ref. RCP-PREME
[Access Conditions]
Open
Correspondence, accounts, reports etc. re Ashlyns' Farm, High Ongar - ref. RCP-PREME/2005/1-98
[from Scope and Content] Liveing (Edward), 1832 - 1919
FILE - Edward Liveing. ALS to Sir Dyce Duckworth - ref. RCP-PREME/2005/1-98/61 - date: 29 July 1891
Correspondence etc. re the armorial window in the R.C.P. - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107
[from Scope and Content] Liveing (Edward), 1832-1919
FILE - Lionel Smith Beale. 1 ALS to Edward Liveing - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/15 - date: 20 Dec. 1887
FILE - Mary Brinton. 1 ALS to Dr Liveing re coat of arms of William Brinton - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/19 - date: 12 Dec. 1887
FILE - Francis Bisset Hawkins. 1 ALS to Edward Liveing, 13 Dec. 1887 and 1 ALS to Sir Dyce Duckworth, 21 Dec. 1887 - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/54-55 - date: 1887
FILE - L. M. Rate. 1 ALS to Edward Liveing re coat of arms of Dr. James Hope - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/57 - date: 20 Dec. 1887
FILE - Theodore Cracroft Hope. 2 ALS to Edward Liveing - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/58-59 - date: 26 Jan. 1888 and 14 March 1898
FILE - William Jenner. 1 ALS to Edward Liveing - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/63 - date: 15 Dec. 1887
FILE - Sir George Johnson. 1 ALS to Edward Liveing - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/64 - date: 15 Dec. 1887
FILE - Sir George Edward Paget. 1 ALS to Dr. Liveing - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/76 - date: 12 Dec. 1887
FILE - W.E. Nicol. 1 ALS to Edward Liveing re coat of arms of William Prout - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/81 - date: 27 Dec. 1887
FILE - Notes in handwriting of Edward Liveing re coat of arms of Richard Torlesse - ref. RCP-PREME/1094/1-107/98 - date: 14 Jan. 1888

Royal College of Physicians of London:
William Henry Allchin (1846-1912): materials for biography of Sir Andrew Clark
Catalogue Ref. MS-ALLCW
Correspondence, including letters to Dr. Allchin re biography of Sir Andrew Clark - ref. MS-ALLCW/711/122-175
[from Scope and Content] Liveing (Edward), 1832-1919
FILE - Dr. Edward Liveing. ALS to Dr. Allchin, suggesting reply to Canon MacColl and commenting on the fact that if the publishers were restive, the delay had been nothing to do with Dr. Allchin - ref. MS-ALLCW/711/164 - date: 10 Feb. 1903
Correspondence, including letters by and relating to Sir Andrew Clark, and letters to Dr. Allchin re biography of Sir Andrew - ref. MS-ALLCW/713/168-220
[from Scope and Content] Liveing (Edward), 1832-1919
FILE - Edward Liveing. ALS to Dr. Allchin - ref. MS-ALLCW/713/206 - date: 3 March 1898
FILE - Edward Liveing. ALS to Dr. Allchin, with list of the ex-officio appointments and duties of the President of R.C.P - ref. MS-ALLCW/713/208 - date: 11 March 1898
FILE - Edward Liveing. ALS to Dr. Allchin - ref. MS-ALLCW/713/210 - date: 5 April 1898
FILE - William Fleming. ALS to Dr. Allchin re nomination of candidates by R.C.P. for office of Physician at St. Bartholomew's Hospital and stating that Dr. Liveing was of the opinion the privilege of nomination was due to Harvey's bequest - ref. MS-ALLCW/713/212 - date: 24 Feb. 1903
Correspondence re Sir Andrew Clark - ref. MS-ALLCW/714C/1-22
Liveing (Edward), 1832-1919

Royal College of Physicians of London:
William Alexander Greenhill (1814-1894): correspondence and papers, mainly relating to medical biography
Catalogue Ref. MS-GREEW

Correspondence etc - ref. MS-GREEW/264/208-228
Liveing (Edward), 1832-1919
FILE - ALS from Dr. Greenhill to Dr. Liveing, stating that he would be unable to attend the meetings of the Committee, but would be happy to be one of the members - ref. MS-GREEW/264/226 - date: 5 Feb. 1892

Royal College of Physicians of London:
Charles Edouard Brown - Séquard (1817-1894) and family: Papers, including correspondence, lecture notes & case notes
Catalogue Ref. MS-BROWC
Charles Edouard Brown-Séquard; Correspondence etc - ref. MS-BROWC/980
FILE - Edward Berdoe. ALS to Edward Liveing enclosing his circular on Brown-Séquards' experiments "A serious moral question" and a letter on the same subject by Mr. Jesse Herbert - ref. MS-BROWC/980/66 - date: 11 Oct. 1889

To find out more about the archives described below, contact Royal College of Physicians of London
Ref A2A

London Metropolitan Archives:
FARRER AND COMPANY [SOLICITORS]
Catalogue Ref. ACC/1285
[Note]
AW/MP/July 1975
Papers of Montgomrey family; premises in Acton, Brentford and Twickenham
FILE - Assignment of leasehold and conveyance of freehold premises - ref. ACC/1285/025 - date: 1897 Nov 24
[from Scope and Content] 2. Edward Liveing M.D. of Cavendish Square, co. London, and William Coppard Beaumont of 23 Lincoln's Inn Fields, co. London
To find out more about the archives described, contact London Metropolitan Archives
Ref A2A.

52 Queen Anne St
London W
May 13/83
Dear Streatfield,
The story of old Jones¹ to which I referred was repeatedly told to different members of my family by the late Mr Harrold of Horkesley Park near Nayland, and was as nearly as I can tell it as follows.
At the time to which it relates Mr Harrold was a young man recently settled in practice in Nayland as a Surgeon. Mr Jones invited him one day to dinner to meet an old and intimate friend of his, Mr Kirby the entomologist². During dinner the two elder gentleman got into conversation on the subject of second sight and the reappearance of the departed after death. Mr Kirby introduced the subject by telling Mr Jones that he had lately been in London and while walking down the
Page 2
Strand had met Mr . . . . ., A mutual friend of them whom they both knew to have been dead some little time. He spoke of having seen him with the utmost seriousness and gravity of manner, and Mr Jones received the information with equal seriousness and good faith Mr Harold however could not help letting a smile cross his face which could not escape the notice of Mr Jones, who, inferring that it betokened some degree of in credibility thought it right to administer a severe rebuke on his unbecoming and sceptical frame of mind, which Mr Harold of course took in good part.
I should say that Mr Harold died at an advanced age about 1840 (1765-1849)
Very sincerely
E L (Edward Liveing FRCP)

Footnote.
1. Old Jones is taken to be the Rev William Jones 1726 - 1800 an esteemed High Church divine of his time and Perpetual Curate of Nayland SFK See his file [26211] on this website.

2. William Kirby (19 September 1759 - 4 July 1850) was an English entomologist, an original member of the Linnean Society and a Fellow of the Royal Society, as well as a country priest, making him an eminent parson-naturalist. He is considered the "founder of entomology". Wikipedia

English Doctors in France.
To the Editor of the Times.
Sir, A communication has been received by this college from the Foreign Office which appears of so much importance and so seriously concerns the medical profession and the welfare of a large number of English people who flock to the south of France for winter quarters, that I am desired by the president and fellows to request that you will be so good as to give it that publicity which the columns of your journal are so well able to afford.
The communication is as follows:
"M Fallicres, the Minister of Public Instruction, has informed the English Ambassador in Paris, with respect to English medical men who may be seeking authority from the French Government to practice their profession in France or to obtain certain facilities for taking a French degree, which would confer the right to practice, that it will not be possible in future for his department to give the same favourable consideration to applications of this kind as has hitherto been accorded them, whether received directly by the Minister or through the British Embassy, and that the applications will be refused unless in instances presenting very exceptional claims."
The principal reason for this important change the Minister states to be that the great majority of such applicants are desirous of settling in these winter health resorts where English people most abound, and that he is informed by the local authorities that these places are already crowded with English practitioners to an extent which is prejudicial alike to French and English interests.
A further reason given is that there being a draft law before the Chambers tending to modify the existing regulations with regard to the practice of medicine in France, the Government feels that great discretion is needed in granting fresh permissions to practice under the old conditions.
I am, Sir, your faithful servant,
Edward Liveing, Registrar.
Royal College of Physicians, London,SW.
Nov 23.
The Times 25 Nov 1889 Pg 11 Col F.

Liveing Archive: Images Misc 3a & 3b
Advise to an unknown person, on taking care of her house.
To Mifs W.
As you are tenant at will in a very handsome genteel house and are capable of furnishing it in the politest manner, ruling it by the strictest maxims of economy and decorum, permit a friend to give you a few cursory hints in an affair of so much importance. Your building is composed of some of the finest materials I ever saw and is so much the more liable to discover the least flaw and spot that may accidentally touch it. T'is erected of a proper height, a just size, reared on a regular plan and finished with the most accurate proportions, on the top stands an immanent turret furnished with a room of the Golbelar form, which I observe has two Crystal windows in the front, these are so constructed as to be exceedingly usefull (sic) as they command an extensive prospect; and if all ways kept clean and bright will prove a very great ornament to the house. I advise you not to look through them at every object that pafses by, be sure to shut them soon at night, and you may open them as early as you please in the morning, on each side I discover a small portal to recieve (sic) company take care they don't always stand open for then you will be crowded with visitors and perhaps with many such as you will not like, let them be never shut against the instructive Parent the advising Friend or the supplicating Orphan. I took notice of one gate in the front at which all your company goes out let that generally the barred close, be cautious what Visitors you let out publickly (sic) lest if any of ill carrecter (sic) be seen coming
Over/
from it you draw a scandal upon your house. It will be necefsary therefore to lay a strict injunction of vigilance upon your Poters (sic), who stand centinels (sic) in liverys (sic) of the deepest scarlet, just without the ivory Pallisadores. I have seen some people paint the two pannels (sic) just below the windows but I wou'd (sic) advise you to the contrary for your own natural colours far excell (sic) all the decorations of art. This part of the Edifice is supported by a pillar of Corinthian marble whose base is ornamented with two Alabaster semi-globes over which is generuly (sic) drawn a fine lawn curtain of admirable needlework. Beneath is the great Hall in which you have a small closet of exquisite workmanship this, I suppose is the place of your secret retirement open to none but yourself or some faithfull (sic) intimate Friend I advise you to keep this always clean furnish it well. Make it a little library of the best practical authors, and visited frequently especially when you return home from Church or leave a circle of acquaintance which you have met with at a tea table. Let the outside of the hall not appear like an hearse hung around with escutceons (sic), nor like a coach of state bedaubed with gilt or colourings, but let it be plain, neat and clean to convince the world that it is kept more for use than ornament.
Your (sic) are sensible Mifs, time defaces the beauty and demolishes the strength of the noblest structure, and therefore will not be surprized (sic) to find your little tenemant (sic) subject to the same change, doubtlefs it has wanted repairs often tho' you have lived in it no longer, which are plain estimations that the house will one day fall. You may soon be turned out.
The landlord may give you a warning, or may not, this is uncertain. Be always ready to go when called upon and then you will not be affraid (sic) to leave it at the shortest notice. One thing I wou'd (sic) observe too, is, that when you (leave it - crossed out ) quit the house no other Tenant will inhabit it but t'will lie waste and in ruins, yet the proprieter (sic) will some time or other rebuild it for your reception in a more durable manner, with the same materials but so refined and modified that it will be liable to no accident or decay, and as it is absolutely necessary that your habitation be now reared in some other place, I heartily wish it may be in a finer country, under a milder climate and well sheltered from all storms, then will your situation be happy and honourable and your lease never expire. Yours etc etc
The transcriber E L Fenn, considers this was probably written by Edward Liveing in his mature years, others disagree

Liveing Archive 20042020 (letter on file)
Stoke by Nayland
Mar 20/64
My very dear Sir
I am quite at a loss to render you the thanks that is justly due to you for the very kind consideration you have bestowed upon us stop I received your note yesterday morning with your kind present to my dear wife I cannot express the gratitude we both felt on the occasion it will help to get her comforts that she stands in need of. I am very glad to tell you that my wife is progressing very favourably there is a very great improvement during the last week she can get about and do a little in the house. It is a very comfort to us to have such kind friends as Mrs and Miss Torlesse Mrs Coyle also is very kind no doubt but you are aware that Miss Coyles wedding is soon to be solemnised the ensuing month I hope they may be happy.
I trust Dr Robert received Toby safe and sound pray tell him I shall be very glad to receive a line or two from him to let me know.
I hope your dear family are all well pray make our love to the dear little ones our best thanks to you and Mrs Liveing believe me Sir your Effectionate and
Humble Servant.
James Beardwell
PS my son's and all their family are pretty well Mariah is near her confinement George will write to you shortly.
James Beardwell (and George) are taken to be the sons of Samuel Beardwell of Stoke by Nayland an agricultural labourer and patient of Dr Edward Fenn of Nayland. Samuel took his own life in 1841 (See notes in Dr Edward Liveing's file) when James was 17. 1866 - James purchased freehold in Stoke by Nayland see Research Notes George Alston [61]


Internet March 2012
Migraine pathogenesis were Edward Liveing's theory of nerve storms and Peter . . . . . summarized in Liveing's monograph On Megrim, Sick-Headache and Some . . . . .
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  Other Records

1. Images of Edward Liveing FRCP, 1832 To 1919.
Images Red Book

2. Census: England, 7 Jun 1841, St Clement Ipswich SFK.
Edward is described as aged 9 born Suffolk, in the house of Richard Mosley aged 39 a clergyman and his wife, 2 infants, and 4 other boys including his brother George, where they were being schooled. (see letter to him that year from his brother Robert)

3. Edward Liveing: Verse to his fathers memory at his death, 18 Mar 1843.
The Re-Union of E. L. his family & Patients.

What joy to the tender Physician and Friend
When he meets all his loved ones again
To see how his past sad anxieties end
In their freedom for ever from pain

To see each fearful and wonderful nerve
He once soothed in its sin - tangled bed
Thrill instinct with Life & feelingly served [?]
The blest union of members and Head

Deep skilled in his art, no skill pampere'd pride
Urg'd him on in his labours of love;
Like-minded with him who looke'd up and sigh'd
He called down his best skill from above.

How swelled the Thanksgiving Hymn in his heart
When the "healing gift" followed his skill !
As flowers a hope of Redemption unpart
And sing tho the Earth be Groaning still.

We knew not his grief when the Enemy Death
O'er some loved one advanced the last claim
We heard not his prayers o'er the parting breath
Wing'd by Faith in the one saving name.

We knew not his grief -- his joy we shall share
If we walk in the steps which he trod
As he followe'd Christ - the poor e'en his care
In his love for the Image of God.
March 18 1843

Watermark
BATH
Sudburie [?]

4. Edward Liveing: Jottings and letter to Henry Torlesse Wellington's Funeral, 1852-1853, London & East.
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I went down to Stoke on Saturday afternoon and returned yesterday (Monday). I will just give you an account of my proceedings. On Sunday morning I went up to Church and after church went into yr. house with some of my sisters and I stopped in your dining room talking to your people and waiting for Tas to come in but after waiting a long time as she didn't make her appearance I was obliged to give it up - Believing that she did not choose that I should see her. Your mother asked me to come in in the evening if I liked thinking that I should not like to come all the afternoon; but your sister Susan (whose kindness to me is extreme) would not hear of it & said I must come in directly after church and stop till the evening & then your mother wanted me to do so too & so I was obliged to say yes - though it left me in a dreadful funk. I then started and walked down to Neyland as I had to see Mr. Green - all the way down I was in great sorrow at the thought of Taz cutting me - and I came back again in time for church at Stoke - after church I went in you house with my mother and sister (Anna had been stopping there to the school) - so Mary or my mother asked me if I was coming home with them so your mother cries out No Edw^d is going to have tea with us - perhaps Anna will stop too. Bob had told Anna all about Tas. & myself before so I looked at her as much as to say "stop" & so she stopped wh. made it less awkward for me. We waited some time but no Tas. made her appearance but your father & I had a long talk until tea time (it was just at the time that poor Martin & his son were killed which you will here (sic) more about fr home)

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Well now the cause of my joy - (I had - deleted) went to the hospital after breakfast leaving C. Mac at home & when I came back in the middle of the day I found to my utter astonishment that Fanny (Mac) & Tas had been here - to bring a message that we were to go & fetch them up from N cross this evening & take them to Mrs Lodges in Waterloo Place where they were to have seats for tomorrow. C. Mac had got them to come in & took them into my Room - and he said they were both in such spirits that they were almost wild & made such a row & then bolted off to Bond Street to amuse themselves!! You may imagine how savage I was to find them gone. Now I & C.M. walked down to N.C. in the evening and then I saw Tas. had tea - and soon we started off to go back to London with them - we had to walk to the Railway station. I offered Tas my arm & C. took his sister and I talked to Tas & she to me all the way and we walked together on the Railway platform half an hour & got on very stunning indeed. Then we sat together in the Railway carriage with only an elbow cushion between & she talked away very kindly to me instead of to F. who was next to her in spite of all the Row. I thought it so intensely kind & good of her. When we got to London Bridge we had a long way to get to Waterloo Place G D Liveing Esq* Regent St. where the girls were to sleep. I took Tas again as a matter of course and by this time I had got quite happy with her & she seemed quite comfortable & in wonderful spirits - & so we went through the crowds of people & very nearly succeeded . . . . .
*Is this a take-off of his older brothers signature. The Will of Edward Liveing died 1843 mentions a lease of premises in Regents St.

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Tas. did not shew her face - & I felt very unhappy & disappointed & restless; anxiously watching for her to come in. At last after the others had come down to tea Tas came also and I sat in my old corner & she next to me - partly by her own will I suppose & partly by the management of your sisters - and then I was happy though uncomfortable - she did not speak to me & so I had to begin to talk to her - and so we got on through tea time pretty well - after tea T. Fenn came & your Father & Mother went with him up stairs & I had 6 girls (your coz. Anna M Bridges being there) left alone with me sitting round the fire - I talked as well as I could & to Tas as much as I could - & so passed the evening. When Anna went to put on her things they all went with her and Tas was going too & bolted half across the room - and then she stopped short & came back to me at the fire. I thought it so good & kind of her. Susan called me away and told me she was very glad I came down & also that Tas was really pleased with the songs I sent her - so I went away happy altogether & Tas is gone to the Macnamaras? (sic) Newcross (sic) with yr Father today - & Mrs Mac has written to ask me down there as often as I like - I suppose some of your people must have told her about it - I can't go down before Wednesday.

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. . . . . in getting into the Cathedral to hear the rehearsal wh. was going on - then the crowd up Fleet St. was so thick that one could not get in so we got into an omnibus & the girls seemed mighty pleased with the whole expedition - we went into Mrs Lodges with them & settled that we were to come for them at 7 o'clock to morrow morning & take them to their seats in the Strand - and now I have left them & come home hear(sic) - and so you see the cause of my joy & I must go to Byo now or I shall not be up in time to fetch them to morrow morning - O how I wish that I had Tas here. But I know that she's not many 100 yards off & that is some comfort.
The day after the funeral - Dear Henry, I will continue my narrative where I left off - But I fear you will be too tired for such uninteresting rot to read any more but my mind is so full of it that I cannot help writing it to you for I should tell it you if you were here so you must forgive me - & don't read it if you do not like - about 4 o'clock in the morning I was aroused by someone knocking at my door - so I got up & was horrified to hear them say "Mr Liveing you are wanted" - so I had to get up at once & go to a beastly midwifery case - when I got there I found it would be long past seven before it would be over & after making an exam. & finding I might safely leave her I started off & ran half over London to find some friend to take it for me but all were going to the funeral & so it was no go. & I returned and sat down in despair expecting to loose (sic) Fanny's company & the Duke's funeral also.* However I waited some time & then went to the Hospital & a friend of mine there very kindly offered
* Date of the Duke of Wellington's funeral was 18^th Nov 1852, Edward must have been writing to Henry in NZ as Henry left 1 Oct 1852 arriving NZ 2 Feb 1853.

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The procession I will describe another day. It is to be something unparalleled - The poor Duke has being lying in state at Chelsea Hospital. The crowd to see it has been tremendous & some people killed. I have not been able to see it - But it is said to be very splendid even surpassing the lying in state of Napoleon wh.(sic) was extremely grand. I will just give you the last canto of Tennyson's (Poet Laureate) ode on His death Peace his triumph etc
But all this leads me back to what interests me much more & fills all my mind (I fear more than it ought) & concerns me individually much more also and which is a cause of unfeigned thankfulness & real joy on my part viz - my brightening prospect (if I am not deceiving myself) with regard to my own dearest Fanny - and it is for this cause that I said I wish you could rejoice with me here now - O Henry without you and what you have done for me what should I have done what would have become of me. But all this leads me back to one thing to me far more interesting and filling my whole heart (I fear more than it ought) viz. the thoughts of my own
d F. (sic) now for the first time I think bringing with your real (unalloyed- struck out) joy & thankfulness into my mind.

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Wednesday night - Nov 17^th 1852 FJT Dearest Fanny
I think you were but best . . . . . dear Henry, with all your kindness goodness and feeling ( here with me your old friend - struck out ) if you still remember me as such - to increase my present joy by your sympathy for me. (Henry must be enroute to NZ) It is the night before the Duke of Wellington's funeral 12 o'clock midnight and though I am in an extremely quiet part of London yet I can here (sic) the voices of the workmen & their hammers going finishing the platforms and seats in the neighbourhood preparatory for to morrow morning.- The streets fr. Hyde Park to St. Paul's have been a marvellous sight to day - Every shop window emptied & fitted up with wooden raised seats & fittings - & hung with Black - Letting at one guinea and half a guinea each and most of them I believe taken. viz. many thousands. All the church yards are also fitted up with seats & let out - Barriers established at all the principal streets and railings put along the pavements - the streets this evening one continuous crowd of people and what it will be like to morrow & what the end of it all no one can tell or imagine - as an old woman attending a patient of mine told me to day "if God Almighty had come down himself she did not believe they could have done so much for him" The cathedral is fitted up in the most marvellous manner hung with black - organ removed lighted with thousands of jets of gas - None but dean & Chapter & friends & I believe peers and peeresses & "such like" are admitted. Your Rev. Father & Mr. Coyte are going as a friend of your Father's in the Herald's Office whom you may have heard of often gave him 2 admissions

5. Edward Liveing: Jottings as a student, 1853 (Early years), London & East.
Liveing Archive Documents - This collection centered on Edward Henry Torlesse Liveing who at his death passed it to Henry Torlesse Liveing both men did considerable work on conserving and adding to the record.
These (rough draft) letters by Edward Liveing at a turbulent time in his student life are written, in the main, to Henry Torlesse his friend and confidant. They may not in all cases have been posted? It is surmised that Henry also coveted Tassie Torlesse and may have left for a new life in NZ to save face.
The miscellaneous documents in the Living Archive are mainly undated and no particular order has been established.
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I must tell you one little anecdote about Taz. & myself. Your F & mother (sic) Uncle as you know stopped some days at the Caledonian Hotel Adelphi & I went to see them there and spent Sunday with them. I went with yr. mother to the Temple Church in the morning and in the afternoon your father & myself went to Westminster Abbey, then to *Miss Burdet Cootes' church in the evening - and after that to hear a sermon in another church. Your most worthy father heard no less than 5 sermons that day!!! Kind o' sort o' professionally - as I suppose. Next morning when I saw them again Taz had written a note to yr. mother - I do not know whether it contained an epistle for you. However yr mother very kindly asked me whether you had had a note fr. Taz. before I left Gravesend and so I said I did not know of it - if you had. Then she said she thought she might show it to me as it concerned me as much as you - Your father came out and put a stop to it - whispering something to yr. mother and so I was not allowed to hear the contents of the epistle & was left in a great state of excitement. You will forgive me, dear fellow, for having written so much about Taz wh interests myself ( with you being perfect cover ?)"
Taken to be a copy of a letter to Henry Torlesse
*Miss (later Baroness in her own right) Angela Burdett-Coutts, was a philanthropist who worked to clean up a squalid and notorious area around Westminster Abbey known as "The Devils Acre" She built a church there, St Stephens Westminster, and schools.
Ref: The Greater London Industrial Archaeology Society walk 'The Devil's Acre'

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We hear of nothing here just now but the Duke of Wellington and his funeral (18^th Nov 1852) all the shops are full of pictures of him and not content with these taken of him in every possible position they must needs have pictures of his shadow - sometimes nothing but the shadow of him & his horse against the wall - sometimes this - "the great man & his shadow" There is going to be an awful procession - lots of soldiers English & foreign. St. Paul's has been shut up some time and is hung with Black - lighted with thousands of gas jets & filled with seats - & shop windows are letting at no end of a sum - But enough of this. There was such a curious accident happened the other day. One of the keepers at the Regents Park Z. Gardens came home half seas over and began getting out the serpents and twisting them about him - adders & everything to the great consternation of the other keepers - declaring nothing would bite him - He then got out the cobra and hided ? that beast under his coat - It stood it a little while and then made a dart and bit him on the nose "bit him just one on the maxilla". He was dreadfully bad was taken at once to University College and died in a few hours - !!! Mrs Sadler still suffers very much and the damp weather has made her quite ill again - the rest are all right - I have not heard anything of Ashton.
* short for maxilla or upper jaw Doctor talk?

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I am tired of being in London and shall be very glad to get to Cambridge or anywhere for a change. There is scarcely any one here that I shall regret leaving at all. Those whom I like best care little for me or not at all and so I cant care much for them, for less can I sympathise with them or they with me, & I would that dearest Taz. would care for me that I might have some real friend and some one to care for me now you are gone - But I don't see how she can there is nothing in me to love - I am absolutely beginning to be very anxious as to how I am to best earn my living and wish that I could begin at once to do so and I think now of giving up mathematics at Cambridge and only taking my degree in medicine that I may be sooner able to get into practice & so be able to make T. an offer

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Thomas Harold Fenn and now I must tell you a little about Taz which you must forgive me for & considering that she occupies all my thoughts & very wretched & unhappy thoughts they are. Mr Markham has been staying a day or so at my Uncle Charles' on his way fr. Windsor to Hokerley - some week a ago - well last Sunday I went to dine at Camberwell at my Aunt Fenns* & at dinner the conversation turned on things at home - and your sister Susan is staying at T. Fenns just now for a little change & to ride out with him for the sake of air - and Taz was down there & out with them sometimes also - well this they informed me of laying particular stress on everything about Taz. which rather surprised supposing that there at least I kept my own secret and therefore I did not feel at (sic) uncomfortable - but soon they put it point Blanc (sic) at me calling her Taz: no longer but "your friend" and so I was at once struck dumb and asked who in the world had told them she was my dear friend. (But they all the answer I could get them was that they new she was so & - struck out) But they pleased to enjoy my astonishment and would not tell me then. So of course I immediately concluded that T. Fenn had managed at length to find it out - perhaps Susan had let it out to him and that he had as usual propagated it. However in the evening on more serious enquiry I found that when Mr Markham was at Uncle's and they were talking about Stoke, he suddenly mentioned about my being in love with Tasmania and seemed perfectly astonished that they knew nothing about it saying that it was general talk down in Suffolk - and also that Edwd. Liveing was constantly at Stoke - and that no doubt he liked his friend Henry very much but that it was chiefly on account of Miss Fanny - (wh. part at least was a beastly lie as I told them viz. (that I was your friend for Fanny's sake) & that he did not wonder at it for that she was a very nice young lady.
*Aunt Fenn is Harriet Fenn nee Liveing her husband Tom Fenn seems not to have had a reputation for being particularly discrete?
*Edward uses, wh for which & ye for the.

6. Edward Liveing: Jottings as a student, 1853 (Early years), London & East.
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Ice & Skating - our old skating together - the gardens pond & Emily's wedding & Henry's sounding me about Taz. in ignorance - his epistle to me - my rejoicing - & the troubles joys & fears since then - My present . . . . . ? & prospects with regard to Taz. Mr Markham & what he said & the consequences. My visit at Cambridge - Bob & his Rooms & George - My intentions there - How we wished you had been there also & hope you will come now - As to my changing Profession. O that I could hear and learn something about Taz. It is now so long & I have no longer you to tell me ought (sic) about her - I do not know how she is or what doing or where going or what her mind is about me & whether she still hates me or whether she thinks I have forgotten her & that my love was like that very often of other men at first - lasting but a time till some one else fell in the way. O - fain that I could but hear from thine own lips. O Fan & my Family! as to your people going to New Z. & as to his coming back. As to F. N my . . . . . & his love, as to Emily Holland her preparing & N. . . . . urra? & as to James Macnammara. As to Carol - on the invasion of England by
Pr. . . . . c? (Scribble indispersed with love lorn random doodling & indecipherable musings by Edward. )
That I could just get down to Thorington St . . . . . I wish she would come I should get on so stunning ? then - But I do not know how to unless I tell her my love first. As to Susan I fear I have done something to offend her - or she she (sic) thinks I am not in earnest about Taz or else she she waits for me to speak about it first wh. I am afraid to do. My Mirrorlife? - My 21^st Birthday - wish Henry many truly happy returns of his. I always forget what day it is an . . . . . 24 W. Finch going to be married. Uncle Charles going to Build a new Apse at Stoke Church
On the possibility of yr going out to NZ When you write home be sure to tell them (at Stoke) that if such a thing should happen as their going to NZ to be sure & let me know (if I am not previously all square with Dearest Tas )(sic) whether they think it proper for me to make her an offer then before their going, that I may know what Fanny wishes to do, whether she is inclined to wait in England for me or whether she wwould go out to come back again
L'Empereur Napoleon (Rather good sketch of a noble young face)
or . . . . . On whether she wishes me to go out there with her if much against my own inclinations as I fear it will be. For my part and from what she herself told me I strongly suspect that Taz (sic) would rather stop in England if she were married & comfortable here than go to N.Z. I want particularly to know whether they would object to my doing this viz. that I want particularly to make Tas (sic) an offer before they go to N.Z. that she may stop here if she likes - For yr Mother seems to infer fr. her letters (here quote.) that I shall follow Tas out to N.Z. by implying 1 of 2 things either that I shall not have made her an offer or 2 that she will not accept - unless

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Feb 24 1853 - London
My dear old fellow - how astonished you will be to see Ashton Sadler in New Zealand - why it seems as if everyone were going out to you - I have been shut up in our wretched Hospital ever since I wrote to you last - so that I have scarcely anything to tell you. How astonished you will be to see Ashton. I did my best to persuade him to go to NZ when I was at home at Christmas & he seemed much inclined to do so, but had no idea that his father and mother would let him - however he managed to persuade them
And he has been up to look out a cabin for himself in some ship wh. is to sail next month. I went to Cambridge a few days ago and spent Sunday and Monday with Bob & George - as I wanted to see about certain university regulations - and as to what I had better do when I get there. George will be an MA this Easter and so he will enter me himself next term at Caius - Hard reading does not suit Bob well & knocks him up & makes him nervous. I had a very jolly day down there and only lamented over you that we two should be there together & you not with us & that all the castles we used to build in the air are all broken down now, and all through condemning yourself to voluntary exile without really I fairly believe half sufficient grounds.
How jolly we 3 might have been there together!!! However it is too late I fear to alter it now & if wishes were horses beggars might ride hope you are as happy as if you you were with us - Cannot you manage to come back now that as I hope & trust you have got up your health & strength again - what's the good of yr. stopping out there now. Can you see any prospect or possibility of your family coming out to you -? I do so hope to have a letter from you and hear what you are doing - & what your prospects are - and what sort of a Land you have got into
We have had several days of jolly hard frost and some capital Ice - I managed to get away one afternoon and went down to Barnes & had some skating on the Ponds there. How I wish I could have been down at Stoke & skated there & have had (sic) also with me. I think almost the last time I had any skating was with you at the bottom of Tendring gardens & do you not remember . . . . .

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. . . . . that jolly moonlight night when we skated together there and I told you of a certain heavenly damsel who had stolen all my love - and you fished to find out who it was and I was so anxious to tell you and yet afraid lest you should be angry or at least only laugh at me; and when you did find out afterwards who it was and wrote me such a jolly nice epistle about "your lovely and amiable cozin (sic) Tasmania" I was so intensely rejoiced & it seemed then to me the first dawn of life I had ever had that I should ever be able to have Tas. for mine own. O how many changes have taken place among us all since then - within the last 3 years - and how much has my own mind changed since then in every respect I should think excepting that I still love Tas. & more earnestly & faithfully than ever - and I was 21 years old on the 8^th so I consider I am no longer a boy & have a sort of right to love her now without being laughed at as if I should love someone else in a day or two. And now I remember dear Henry that your birthday is one day this month either 14^th or 24^th I think & if the latter to day now Whenever it is I wish you many truly happy returns of it.

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Synopsis (continued) of course if she loves me at all and will be my wife wh. I pray she may - why then of course she would consent to stop with me & for me in England if I wished it - since a woman ought to leave her father & mother & cleave to her husband.

These draft letters by a love lorn young man give a peep at courtship in Victorian England.
It is sprinkled with words struck out, scribbles, sketches and abbreviations.

On Edwards engagement, Henry Torlesse [1678] wrote an extraordinary letter to his "friend" admitting his envy, and trying to influence the relationship. He suggests someone write to Tas admonishing her for
". . . . . the important step she is taking, in throwing herself away upon you. . . . . "

Really, dear fellow, some of the many happy & unhappy times we have spent together. Do you not remember skating by moonlight on the garden pond at Tendring on the night your sister E was married (I think). O what a shining evening it was and I was so concerned then because I wanted you to find out how much I loved Taz but I did not like to tell you lest you should be angry - you can't think how rejoiced I was when I found you were not -
*Tendring Hall, Stoke by Nayland SFK.

7. Edward Liveing: Letter while travelling in Europe, 12 Jun 1853, Rhine Germany.
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Frankfurt . Sunday Even. June 12, 1853. My dear Mother, I think I had better write you some account of our journeyings thus far as you may be wishing to hear of us and I shall not have so good an opportunity of writing again for some time. After a hard days work on Tuesday last we managed to get on board the steamer at St Katharine's Wharf in the evening just in time to secure two berths for ourselves there were a great many passengers so that all the berths were taken and many had to sleep on the floor and on deck we had a very comfortable passage to Ostend, there was only a slight roll and we were neither of us at all sick - Uncle Charles got us a letter of introduction from someone in the N.D.O. to his brother in law at Ostend a M Wallis who was extremely kind and hospitable and made us dine and spend the rest of the day at his house - We slept at one of the hotels and set off early the next morning for Cologne by railway, a very long tedious journey which occupied the whole day - we met many English people on the way who were glad to talk - The natives also were everywhere very communicative and seem to delight in speaking English however little they know, and as far as we have gone at present most of them seem to know a little at the Railway Stations, Hotels etc - At the Railway Station at Verriers we were much amused by a small boy calling out "London News, Punch, Bradshaws guide" and on being told by another Englishman that the Punch was an old one he said "good for all the summer" which speach he had evidently got up by heart but was originally intended only for Bradshaw - At Aix la Chapelle we had to have our passports vise when calling out the names that we might reclaim our passports they read our names as M ?Swaingen & I happened to see the passport was mine and it was quite impossible to help bursting out laughing which highly offended the "Maitre de Bureau" & he would not let us have ours in consequence till all the others were served. We got to Cologne in the evening and took up our abode at the Belle Vue Hotel where we fell in with an Oxford undergraduate who was all alone & also going to Switzerland and seemed heartily glad of our company. He left us however this morning to join a party of Relatives at Baden. On Friday morning we looked about Cologne and of course I was very much delighted with the cathedral which they still continue vigorously building - I wonder whether it will ever be finished! We had not curiosity enough to see the bones of the 3 Maji as they charge a very high price for showing them. We found out St Peter's Church also where Rubens was christened and which contains a large picture by him St Peter crucified with his head downwards - a wonderful subject & wonderfully painted I think in spite of the faults generally found with it - Why in the world they keep the picture turned with its face towards the wall while a wretched copy on the back is generally only seen I cannot imagine. About 1 o'clock we set off by steamer up the Rhine and had my first "Table d'hote" dinner on deck at species of meal which I like very much but which is certainly better calculated to suit one's Taste than Stomach - At dinner we made acquaintance with a clergyman (English) and his sister who were also going to Coblenz.
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The banks of the River are certainly flat and tame until you have passed Bonn and there commences with the Seven Hills the beautiful scenery - "The castled crag of Drachenfels Frowns o'er the wide and winding Rhine, Whose breast of waters broadly swells Between the banks which bare the vine, And hills all rich with blossom'd trees, And fields which promise corn and wine, And scattered cities crowning these, Whose far white walls along them shine" etc. etc. Childe Harrold.
I have just finished reading one of Sir Walter Scott's stories in which he gives a much better description of this than I can: "the broad stream itself hurrying forward, with dizzy rapidity, and rushing around the Islets by which its course is interrupted is one of the most majestic spectacles in nature" (?) "The old castles seen from time to time on the banks of the river itself, or in the ravines and larger brook's which flow into it are picturesque ruins rendered interesting by the stories told about their former inhabitants" & " every stream which here contributes its waters to the Rhine, winds through its own tributary dell, and each valley presents a varying and separate character, some rich with pastures, cornfields & vineyards, some frowning with crags and precipices and others romantic beauties" That it is "one of the most majestic spectacles in nature" however I should think very doubtful and if I do not see something more deserving of such a character in Switzerland I shall certainly be disappointed - We got to Coblenz by the evening and here took up our abode for the night - & got up early the next (yesterday) morning and climbed the stupendous rock of Ebrenbreitstein which is just opposite Coblenz and wonderfully fortified and from the top of which we had the most splendid panoramic view of the Rhine country; I wished I had time to stop & sketch we then went back to the hotel to breakfast and went on by steamer all day to Mayence Fr. thence we arrived here yesterday evening by railroad. Here we have spent the day as we found an English church after some searching and tomorrow morning we set off for Heidelberg - I hope I am already somewhat better for the thorough change though I am far from square yet - Bob is flourishing & I shall be glad to hear if Anna or someone will write to me - Best Love to all fr. your ever affect. son Edward.

Letter on three sides of a large folded sheet addressed to Mrs Liveing Stoke by Neyland Suffolk Angleterre the address sheet is stamped Machmittag with several postmarks including Schaffhausen 15 6, Suisse St Louis 17 Juin, L 18 Jui 8 1853, Colchester Jun 18 1853 A. Mrs Liveing Stoke by Neyland Suffolk Angleterre

8. Edward Liveing: Letter while travelling in Europe, 18 Jun 1853, Ragatz Germany & The Baths of Pfeffers (picture).
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GEBRUDER HAUSER Hof Hause (embossed mark) Ragatz. June 18^th 1853.
My dear Mother, Since I last wrote from Frankfurt we have had little else but misfortune & disappointment chiefly owing to the wretched wet weather - I have nothing therefore to tell you except what route we have come and where we are going to which cannot interest you as you do not know the country. We left Frankfurt on Monday morning and had a long railway journey by Heidelberg to Kehl we could not stop at Heidelberg as we wanted to get on that night to Offenburg - we stayed at Kehl and walked to Strasb urg and examined the cathedral which of course much delighted us the painted glass windows and the carving of the stonework being very far superior to any thing of ? y^e. kind I had seen before - we got to Offenburg late in the evening and went to a Mr Pfachler's hotel, he is a friend of Mr Eddison's, and was stopping in London so that we did not see him but his son speaks English very well and was very kind and obliging and promised us 20 miles range of shooting! Roebuck, hares, pheasant s etc when ever we liked to come - on Tuesday we went by railroad to Freibourg and stayed there an hour which just gave us time to look at the church (Minster) which is very fine and very perfect and has much of the character of Strasbourg Cathedral, so that you would imagine the same architect built them both - we then went on by diligence (a four wheeled stage coach) up the Hollentha l and through a part of the Black Forest & along its outskirts to Schaffhausen - the first part of this journey was through a most beautiful country, but it began to rain when we started and we could see absolutely almost nothing the whole way - we reached Schaffhausen about two o'clock on Wednesday morning and had some trouble in finding out the hotel we wanted to go to as it was quite dark & no one about the streets - we went to see the falls of the Rhine early but there was no sunshine so that we did not see them to advantage - and then went on by diligence to Zurich but it was cloudy and wet so that we could see but little moreover they would not let us ride outside the diligence. We slept at Zurich and started at half past eight on Thursday morning for Ragatz it was tolerably fine though cloudy and we enjoyed the scenery on the lakes of Zurich and Wallenstadt very much and especially the journey from Wallenstadt to Ragatz by diligence but it was too cloudy to see the distant mountains - we slept at Ragatz (where we now are) on Thursday night and procured a guide to go with us the next day over the mountains to Glarus - as Uncle Charles directed us along that route - it poured with rain when we started and it has continued to rain almost incessantly ever since - we walked up the gorge of the Tamina and saw the hot baths and spring of Pfeffers (pictured) and then continued our route on to Vattis a little village at the entrance of a " Kalfeuser Thal " notwithstanding the wet we (sic) it was impossible
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not to admire the gorge of the river Tamina certainly one of the most extraordinary spots imaginable - being quite wet through we had about four hours walk in the rain and clouds to the little village of Vattis amongst most magnificent scenery of which in consequence of the wet and cloud we could just see only so much as to let us know that it existed and was very magnificent if we could only see it. It was too late to cross the mountains then and there & so we were obliged to put up at a miserable little Inn in the place and were glad to change our wet clothes. The guide had a long discussion with the natives in the evening & they finally concluded that it was utterly impossible for us to pass up the Kalfeuser Thal and cross over the mountains (at the end of it towards Glarus) for the snow was still so deep that no one had yet been able to pass since the winter and some of the natives who had tried the day before were obliged to give it up & come back this was an extremely annoying piece of news as we had come 4 hours walk in the wet for nothing and it involved our undergoing the same journey back again to Ragatz as we were hemmed in by the mountains & that was the only way out which would suit us at all - in addition to this our plan of route was frustrated (the most annoying part of the whole) and we have lost in this way 2 days at least. I thought the guide did not like the trouble of going and therefore tried to persuade us into the idea that we could not but he stuck to it so resolutely that we should be obliged to turn back again if we attempted it that we thought we had better give it up lest we should lose another 2 days - I cannot tell now for certain that we have not been cheated, and as we know nothing of the Language it is very difficult to find out. I made the guide write his French speeches when I could not exactly understand them; the following is a specimen Remarkable for spelling "S'il est possibel de pouvoir passe r acose la naiche (neige?) nous vero n s demain da n s l alpe. Mais s'il y a de n aa ges (?) sur les montains il est impossible de passer, il y a trop de danger"
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We accordingly walked back again this morning in pouring rain and dense clouds - we have changed our clothes again and had some table D' h ote Dinner and are going by the diligence to Glarus this afternoon and we hope to walk on to Schwytz tomorrow & from there to Arth & up the Rigi (Rhigi) the next day. We have seen so little at present and have been so disappointed that we are quite out of spirits - it is rather better weather this afternoon & I hope it will continue to improve otherwise we might just as well walk in our own valley of the Stour in England in a dense fog - we are both very well considering - but rather afflicted with blisters. Ever your affectionate son Edward. I hope this will be legible written in a great hurry.
Folded and sealed letter bearing post marks from Ragaz, St Louis, Zurich, and 2 illegible marks dated Jun 22 1853.

9. Poem by Eliza (Ester Milnes Day): A TOUR TO THE GLACIERS OF SAVOY, 1792.
Copied out in Edward Liveing's papers.

An Epistle to John Waller, Esq.

ESCAP'D from an ocean of ice,
From the wonders we've been to explore,
I send you my thanks in a trice;
And I wish'd to have sent them before.

So charm'd with your elegant lays,
Your kind wishes for all were so hearty,
I would I could send you the bays
Thought your due by each one of our party.

You cannot conceive, my good Sir,
What a chagrin I felt to depart
With only a verbal devoir,
When I felt so well pleas'd in my heart.

So delighted with what I had read,
To describe it would make it the less,
Like music it runs in my head;
I wou'd praise but I cannot express.

Why so distant? full oft have I said
Such good neighbours should live near together;
My genius is heavy as lead,
Which, near you, was as light as a feather.

Yet ere we adieu for the last,
I hope you forget not the plan;
Let us have one more social repast,
And pray, let it be at Lausanne.

O come, but to hear where we've been,
What a frolic we've ta'en in our gay days;
In us the old proverb is seen;
"Far fetch'd and dear bought's good for ladies."

When we parted with you at Genevè,
The road was enchantingly various;
We began for to laugh in our sleeve,
When they talk'd of the things that would scare us.

The Arve it flow'd winding along
Cultur'd vales, as we view'd them askance;
Enraptur'd we chatted and sung,
Till arriv'd at the town of Sallenche.

Ah me, then our troubles began,
For our carriage no further could go,
So we, stuff'd in a vile charabanc¹,
Be-jerk'd from our top to our toe.

O, Gemini me! what a squalling,
As along the rough muleteer bang'd us;
O, hold fast, be sure, each kept bawling,
As through the wild torrents he twang'd us.

Look here! and see there! cried each one,
As over such steeps we were twitch'd;
But I vow in the midst of the fun!
I thought our mule driver bewitch'd!

Such twistings and jerkings there were,
Predetermin'd to heartily bump us;
Zig-zag, like a dog in a fair,
To all the four points of the compass.

However, to shorten my story,
In very few words may be said,
When you get to the vale of Chamouny,
All your twitches and jerks are repaid.

For though many a vale we had pass'd,
And o'er mountains, whose heads were gigantic,
Yet this vale of all vales, at the last,
Was beyond every thing most romantic.

I wish'd for a genius of fire,
I wish'd for a thousand of quills,
Of paper, far more than a quire,
To sketch but each beauty it fills.

For though I no genius was born,
From such wishes I am not exempt;
Your pen would the subject adorn:
You might soar, but I must not attempt.

From this vale you ascend the Glaciers;
On our ten toes we brav'd the fatigues;
That day laid aside female fears,
And trudg'd, there and back, full eight leagues.

O, such puffing, and breathing, and blowing,
Some languishing, faint, half expiring!
Some danc'd, others sung, as a-going,
Melting airs! for we all were perspiring.

The guides they stump'd first, looking big,
With a prong, we each one scrambled after;
Though they all talk'd of dancing a jig,
I protest I was far off from laughter.

Curiosity nudg'd me me vain,
For slipping I look'd to my feet,
Though expiring, I durst not complain;
But with ecstasy cry'd Lord, how sweet!

Such chasms there yawn'd on the plain,
As fearful I peep'd o'er the rocks,
Ay, if ever you catch me again,
I deserve to be clutch'd in your stocks.

Then sliding and trembling again,
Each wonder fresh frights on us heaping,
Each silently grunting through pain,
Though forewarn'd, we must all pay for peeping.

Arriv'd at the Maison de Blair,
A hut that is not over nice,
Yet pleas'd, although homely the fair!
Then went on to the ocean of ice.

If to wonder it makes you look old,
Such wonder of wonders are in it;
Muse but how those billows are roll'd,
You'd be ninety years old in a minute.

Suppose the sea heaving and swelling,
Arrested in act of that motion,
With colours the rainbow excelling,
And you'll faintly conceive the Ice Ocean.

The torrents that scare you withal,
The deep fissures that strike ye with wonder,
The immense rocks of ice, as they fall,
With reverb'rating noise loud as thunder.

Yet though 'twas enchantingly fine,
Très superbe, magnifique , the rude murmur,
Still the part I thought nearest divine,
Was when my feet touch'd terra firma .

Down the mountain we trudg'd it again,
Each anxious to see the dear valley;
The whole party were hopping through pain,
Like a group of lame ducks in an alley.

But oh, woe on woe, on the plain,
Three good miles had we yet for to go;
We were caught in a deluge of rain,
And besous'd from our top to our toe.

The lightning it flash'd in our faces,
The hail it bespatter'd us round;
We all made most direful grimaces;
To hear the hoarse thunder resound.

Had you seen but the droop of our hats,
Not a thread 'mongst us all of dry linen;
Though we look'd like a parcel of rats,
'Midst our troubles we cou'd not help grinning.

Arriv'd at our inn at the last,
Our kind hostess she thought it so handy,
Before any other repast,
To drench us all round with some brandy.

Then in our hot beds we reclin'd,
Each serv'd with a bason of whey;
Yet withal, 'twas a wonder to find
We had none of us colds the next day.

But now the plot thickens, good Sir;
We were all for Martini that night;
O, the road 'twas so bad, and so far!
'Twould have turn'd your wig grey, with the fright.

Such a mountain of mountains to climb,
It was out of all carriage's rules!
As 'tis out of my power to rhyme
The figure we cut upon mules.

En cavalier one after t'other,
We mounted the Col de Baum's ridge,
Whilst to keep up the rear rode my brother;
Like so many ducks o'er a bridge.

And first, like Dean Swift, we went up,
And then we went down, down, down a,
And then we were wrench'd o'er a gap,
That I thought would have cracked our crown a.

And then we went sideling away,
In good truth I was struck with such awe, Sir,
Like a stuck pig, I star'd with dismay,

For the mules they would go as they chose, Sir,
Rightly judging, they knew the way best;
And though dreading to fall on my nose, Sir,
I found 'twas in vain to contest.

Had you been in the valley below,
As we seem'd to be scrambling o'er trees,
You'd have ta'en us, each one for a crow;
Or the maggotty fry in a cheese.

Then such calling each one for our guides,
That from laughter you'd not have withstood,
A huge peasant at each of our sides,
Hand in hand, like the babes in the wood.

Yet in spite of our delicate woe,
Each beauty rose on us so fast,
And more to my fancy, I know,
As I knew it was mountain the last.

Arriv'd at the top, we descended,
On tiptoe; but think of our toil,
When we thought that the worst it was ended,
To find we must trudge near four mile.

O, such walking, good Heaven defend us!
Though the guides seem'd to have it by rote;
Sure never was aught so tremendous,
Fit for no earthly foot, save a goat.

Still hobbling, we fagg'd it again,
And sideling like crabs, reach'd the vale;
To have kept on the mules would been vain,
Unless we'd been tied on their tail.

On their stomachs, they slid down some places,
How enlivening this sight was to boot;
It caus'd us a few more grimaces;
And I hugg'd myself, stumbling on foot.

Pass'd the steepest, we mounted again,
O, sure for fatigue such a trimming!
After all, three full hours in hard rain;
So that into the town we went swimming.

Such a group of deplorable creatures,
Bedaggled and wet to the skin,
Yet we hardly could summons our features
To look grave, when we came to the inn.

Such an inn, such a villainous inn,
The Grande Maison 'tis call'd at Martini;
Should any one stop there again,
I would set that one down for a ninny.

The beds were so dirty and small,
Bugs and fleas they attack'd us by dozens;
But what teaz'd me more than them all,
Were those plagues of all plagues, call'd your cousins².

After all our fatigues, only think,
To be bor'd by those vermin all night,
That of sleep I could not get a wink;
And I actually blubber'd through spite!

But when we got up in the morning,
Each thinking themselves bit as me,
We began with a concert of yawning
For with but one eye could I see!

The other was clos'd up from day,
Hands and arms too, so swell'd and so sore,
Each shew'd such a direful display,
That I wish'd myself home o'er and o'er.

Here our carriage rejoin'd us again,
And in we all tumbled, such frights;
From complaining no one could refrain;
For a season, quite sicken'd with sights.

Footnotes
1. Charabanc, a wooden machine to convey passengers over the mountains, in shape like the long carriages for musical instruments; it is open on the sides, and the travellers sit back to back, on benches placed length ways, with a foot-board, or plank, in the same direction, to prevent their falling out; it is drawn by mules, and having no springs, the motion is inexpressibly rough, over very uneven and stony roads.
2. Cousin, a little fly in the mountains, smaller than our gnat, but whose bite is much more irritating and venomous.

10. Edward Liveing: Letter while travelling in Europe, 26 Jun 1853, Furka Pass Switzerland.
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Inn on the Furka Pass June 26, 1853. My dear mother, We have had little else but a continuance of the same wretched weather since I last wrote to you from Ragatz . As soon as I had finished my epistle the weather having cleared up a little we've found our way back again by diligence and Steamboat to Weseu about 10 miles from Glarus w h ither we had intended to go - there was a fine sunset (almost the first I have seen since we left England) and by the time we arrived at Weseu it was a beautiful clear moonlight even I t was too late for the diligence to Glarus and we accordingly purchased a pole for a trifle and having fastened our luggage to it and hoisting it on to our shoulders we set off for Glarus where we arrived about 12 o'clock having fortunately managed to get a lift on the way I now began to be confirmed in an opinion I had formed some time before viz ; that we were very foolish in bringing so much luggage - We brought each a whole change of clothes besides shirts socks and sundries filling two carpet bags & in addition our plaids and great coats, altogether making a far greater weight than it is ever possible for us to carry; we have therefore been obliged to get a porter to carry our things whenever we have (? walk ed ) a anywhere which is an expensive way of travelling - for notwithstanding that Murray (John Murray's Handbooks for Travellers series started in 1836 and were the British take on Baedeker's idea) says you can get porters for 3 or 4 Franks a day we find we cannot get them for less than double the price. If I had to set out from England on the same expedition I should bring a knapsack (the only thing at all fitted for carrying weight with comfort for a long distance) in this I should have a few shirts socks etc & a change of shoes; I should bring instead of a change of clothes a water-proof loose coat and gaiters which may easily put in ones pockets and lastly either a great coat or a plaid it matters not which. It would have been easy to carry these 20 miles a day, much expense might have been saved, and we should have been also much more independent. For the last two or three stages we have adopted the plan of taking what we absolutely want in one carpet bag and sending the rest round to the next town by a diligence when there is one and we thus get on better. Sunday at Glarus was a beautiful day (the only fine day we have had in Switzerland) - we walked up the Linth Thal (Linthal) as far as the Baths of Stechelberg & back and enjoyed it very much about 27 miles altogether. On Monday morning the Landlord of the Inn procured us a porter to carry our baggage over the Pragel Pass to Schwytz about 33 miles - for which we were obliged to agree to give him 15 franks a vast deal to much - but there was no alternative - our Host said a mule would cost 30 Fr !!! Our porter brought a boy with him in the morning as he thought the luggage was more than he could manage - We set out in good spirits as it was then tolerably fine though cloudy - All along the Klon Thal and passed the lake of Klon it continued pretty fine and we enjoyed the walk for about 8 miles exceedingly by the side of the little lake which is shut in completely all round by mountains certainly one of the most picturesque spots I have seen "une des vallees les plus gracious qu'il y ait dans les Alps" As we began to ascend to the summit of the pass however it began to rain and it continued to do so all the rest of the day - and we walked on in icy cold rain & dense clouds, alternately on snow & wet yellow grass in sight of nothing but ourselves & the path for about 13 miles to the little village of Muotta - where we arrived thoroughly wet through cold and chilly - we could not induce our porter to go on any further and we were accordingly obliged to stop at the little Inn at Muotta W e changed our clothes and endeavoured to make ourselves as comfortable as we could under the circumstances but no one there could speak either a word of French or English so we were very hard up. However in ? the . . . . . evening the Priest came in hearing that we were there and he could ? talk French and of course understood Latin so that between the two we managed to have some conversation - He was excessively kind and seemed extremely concerned and interested about us; he stopped some hours to keep us company and acted as interpreter & mediator between us and our porter who got into a great rage & threw away the money when we offered him 12 Fr for his pay (nearly = to the original sum agreed on though he had come 9 miles short of the distance) we were quite determined however not to give him any more which we got the Priest to tell him and then let him go to bed to think better of it. The next morning after breakfast I sent for the porter and offered him the 12 Fr again which put him again into a towering passion - he declared he would have 15 and snatched up one of our bags and rushed about the room like a madman which amused us exceedingly though I was very angry too. His Reverence expecting there would be a row had already found his way into the house and when he heard the noise walked quietly into the room - his presence at once shut up the guide who put down the bag and seemed ashamed of himself and our kind & excellent friend taking our part lectured the man for some time and we were at last glad to get away in peace by paying 13 francs - The rain kept off long enough to allow us to get to Schwytz - we had intended to have gone on up the Rhigi - but pouring rain and dense clouds compelled us to stop at Schwytz . We sent our luggage on to Lucerne by diligence having had enough of porters - the next morning it being moderately fine we set off from Schwytz and walked to Goldau and from there up the Rhigi - when we got to the top we could see nothing for we were enveloped in clouds and mist - excepting that now & then between the clouds we caught a momentary glimpse sufficient to show us how magnificent at panorama we had around us if we could but only see it - it was also most bitterly cold and plaids and great coats did but little towards keeping us warm the roof of the Righi Kulm Inn being still covered with snow and patches of snow melting all about - After some time towards sunset the clouds in great part cleared off so that for a short time we had a view of the whole panorama though not a very good one much of the beautiful colouring of the picture having vanished as the sun sank - especially that most beautiful greenish blue colour which the lakes have when seen from the top of the mountain. The sun set behind the clouds unfortunately - "sulky and grim he went to bed - sulky and grim went we" this was hardly the case however with us - the other lines were more correct "sulky and grim he rose again - sulky and grim rose we" for when we got up we could scarcely see a yard before us for the dense clouds and wet; it continued to pour all the way down to Weggis & all the time we were crossing the lake to Lucerne but we managed to keep ourselves dry with umbrellas - at Lucerne we were glad to change our clothes and Feed - it cleared up for a few hours in the evening and I walked up to the " Lime Trees" a hill outside the town from which I managed to get a very good view of the lake & mountains around it Mount Pilate being most striking. The next morning Friday was tolerably fine but we could not leave Lucerne till the middle of the day as we were obliged to have our shirts etc washed here. We had a very comfortable passage along the lake in the steamer to Fluellen, the part of the lake called the bay of Uri being certainly stupendously grand by far the finest thing I have yet been able to see. We got on to a diligence at Fluellen going to the Hoof . . . . . village at the foot of the Golthard Pass but the rain & clouds came on again as bad as (before ?) and between that & the darkness we were able to see little or nothing of cv . . . . ? y^e. wild and wonderful gorge of the Reuss and of the Devils Bridge crossing it. I wish much now that we had slept at Altorf ( actual spelling Altdorf)and walked on the next morning but having so little time we were obliged to hasten on. Martigny July 5th. I have had no time to continue my account suffice it to say that since I wrote the above we have had much better weather and we arrived here today & intend passing the Tete Noire tomorrow to Chamouny and thence to Geneva & home by Paris. - Bob fell down and hurt his leg so that he had to take to a horse for a time it is quite well again now - I am better than I was I am very happy to say but not by any means square yet. Love to all fr your very affectionate son Edward.

The letter comprises four pages folded, minor damage by the seal, the opening page is half overwritten. It is addressed Mrs Liveing Stoke by Neyland Suffolk Angleterre, there are several postmarks mostly illegible except Nyon 8 Jul 53 and BE JY 8 53.

11. Edward Liveing & Frances Jane Torlesse: Analysis of Marriage Settlement, 1854, London.
1854.
Analysis of settlement on the marriage of Edward Liveing Esq., with Miss Frances Jane Torlesse.
Parties:
The Gentleman ........... 1st Part.
The Lady ......................2nd Part
Mrs Liveing ..................3rd Part.

The Rev C M Torlesse
John H Bridges & Trustees of the 4th Part
Geo D Liveing Esq.

Recites the intended marriage, and that the Lady is entitled to £1245 5. 6. Back Stock & $3000 or £600 invested in Bonds of the New York & Erie Railroad Co., which stock & bonds are agreed to be settled and that the Gentleman & his Mother have agreed to secure £2000 by their covenant to be paid to the trustees after her decease.
That the Bank Stock has been transferred into the Trustees names.
The Deed their witnesses that Miss Torlesse assigns to the Trustees the said Railway Bonds
And the Gentleman & Mrs Liveing covenant for payment to the Trustees within six months after her decease of the sum of £2000 out of his share of his late father's Estate with interest until payment.
It is then declared that the Trustees shall hold the Bank Stock & Railway Bonds either to permit them to remain in their present state; or, with the written covenant of the Lady & Gentleman or of the survivor & and afterwards at the direction of the Trustees, to convert them into money and invest the proceeds & also the £2000 when received under the Covenant upon the Parliamentary Stocks or Public Funds of Great Britain or upon Government or real or leasehold securities in England or Wales or the Stocks Funds Shares Debentures or Mortgages of any company incorporated and paying a dividend \endash with power to vary such securities.
Income of the Ladys fortune to herself for joint lives of herself & husband for her separate use then to the survivor for his or her life.
Income of the Gentleman's fortune to him for life \endash then to the Lady for life if she survived.
After decease of the survivors, all the trust monies to go amongst the children of the marriage as the parents shall jointly by deed, or the survivor by deed or Will, appoint - if no appointment, amongst all the children equally.
Sons at 21, daughter at 21 or marriage \endash but no Child taking a share under an appointment shall be entitled to any further share without bringing the appointed share into the account.
If no children, the Ladys fortune to be at her disposal by Will \endash and if so disposed of, to go to her relations, as if she had not been married.
The Gentlemans fortune in the same event to belong to his estate.
Usual powers for maintenance education and advancement of children.
Covenant for settlement of the Ladys after acquired property of the value at any one time of £100 \endash to go as the rest of her fortune hereby settled stop
receipts of the Trustees to be sufficient discharges.
Power for appointment of new trustees on any dying desiring to be discharged etc & usual causes for their indemnity & and reimbursement.
Proviso that if there shall be only one child of the marriage, each parent is to have power of disposition over half of his or her fortune.

Bridges and Co.
Red Lion Square

12. Edward Liveing: Writing to Kings College London, & invitation to Partridge Testimonial 1870, Abt 1858.
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Not dated but c1868.
Copy

To the Council of King's College London. My Lords and Gentlemen, It is and now nearly three years since I received from your Secretary the announcement of the expiration of my term of office as Assistant Physician to King's College Hospital, and of my election to an Honorary Fellowship at King's College as a mark of your approval of the manner in which I had discharged my Hospital Duties. The same communication informed me that I was eligible for reappointment whenever a vacancy should occur in the Hospital Staff. [I have anxiously waited for such a vacancy and now hasten to take advantage avail myself of this the first opportunity which has occurred of again presenting myself coming forward as a candidate for the office of Assistant Physician. I am 36 years of age and in the yeh of rey!* In addition to the requisite certificates and some testimonials remaining in your possession, I beg to submit a few more from different sources from other sources for your kind consideration; and with every feeling of respect. I remain My Lords and Gentlemen Your Obedient Edw^d Liveing
*An abbreviation for good health?


Partridge Testimonial.
The committee appointed to carry out the above object, requests the pleasure of Edward Liveing Esq attendance in the theatre of King's College Hospital on Thursday next, June 9, at 2 p.m. precisely.
King's College Hospital.
June 2, 1870.
Prof Partridge was professor of anatomy and the one of all others who had first instituted King's College Hospital.
"An influential meeting was held in the operating theatre of King's College Hospital on Thursday afternoon, for the purpose of promoting a testimonial to Prof Partridge . . . . . "
Ref: British Medical Journal June 11 1870 Pg 610.

13. Edward Liveing: Writing to his wife, Abt 1858-1859, Caius College Cambridge.
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Caius College:Wednesday
My own dearest wife, I have got through all right - though I can hardly believe it. What an anxious morning I have had no one can tell. Surely "the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong" - I desire that I may never forget the very great and most undeserved goodness of God in thus helping me: I have forgotten him day after day and night after night - but He has not forgotten me. If it had not been that many of ^y.things (ie. the) which I had read (and they were very few) were set in the papers - often the very things I had accidentally chosen to read the night before, and this not once but several times, I do not think I could have passed.
I cannot think why you have not written to me. No letter again today. Why I have been to bed at two o'clock and up at 6 o'clock in the morning - to work, under
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the most harassing circumstances and the greatest anxiety, and when I have sent this letter I shall have written to you as often as you have to me!!
It is now late in the afternoon, and I have only the rest of the day and tomorrow to write my thesis in, for I was so anxious this morning that I could not collect my thoughts; and now I feel so tired that I do not know how to set to work to grind again.
How I am longing to see you & y^e children again - I seem to have been away in an age-and I shall have two stay a week longer (sic) least. Goodbye my dearest wife - May God bless you
Your loving husband
Edward

Letters about 1858-59.
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Tuesday afternoon
My own beloved wife, I have just been in for the last paper; I have done sufficient I think to pass in all except to day's paper which most unfortunately was the most important and made extremely hard. I could only answer one question in it. It has been a terrible and heavy blow to me. I cannot tell what may be the consequence. I made guesses at 2 or 3 more of the questions - but it must remain very dubious whether I pass or not until the list is out. It is a very heavy blow at the last.
What I have endured the last few days no one can tell. I am quite ill - completely exhausted in body and mind. I have had the most horrible nights lately - no sound rest but hideous
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dreams and waking terrors - so that when I have arisen in the morning I have hardly known how to support myself much less to go to an examination. Should I get through I shall hardly recover and if I am plucked - oh! I cannot tell the consequence. I am all well nigh bewildered now.
If I get through I will tell you more about the examinations if I am well enough. I have been obliged to have soup and stimulants to keep me at all up.
I am going to move into Mr Green's rooms today. He has gone to London - if he comes to you be very kind to him - he has been very kind to me. I am wrought up into the most horrible state of irritability. That pulsation in my stomach has increased think and frightened me a good deal just now.
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Good bye my dearest wife. If I did not feel so ill I should be longing to be at home and with you and the dear children again. I think if I knew that I were through the excitement of that might aid in getting me up. If I do get thro (sic) then I shall have to stay up here to write my thesis wh. Dr Bard(?) requires on Friday - and then I should have to keep my aet (or act?) on Tuesday (this day week)
Good bye dearest wife
Your ever loving
Edward

14. Edward Liveing: Doddles Reminders Musings to Henry Torlesse then in NZ, Abt 1859.
Liveing Archive: Image Misc 8

Dear old fellow what would I not give to night to write and ask you what I am to do - I am suddenly become a regular practitioner in medicine - In the Wards at the Hospital all day examining my patients - and attending women in Labour in all the vilest holes in the noted parishes of St. Giles and St. Clement Danes - where the bugs swarm so thick as to make things stink of them - I have given up reading mathematics and am trying to make myself as fit for practice as I can having half lost or forgotten my love of science my love of Tas. and impatience to (get her having somewhat altered my feelings - struck out) have her for my own dear wife - safe fr. the hands of other men, have entirely altered my feelings.
Presumed to be to Henry Torlesse c.1859

15. Edward Liveing: Writing to his wife, 22 Jul 1859-6 Aug 1859, British Museum London.
Liveing Archive: Image Letters 7 & 8

^{British Museum, Libr
Friday 4.30 July 22, 1859
My own dearest wife - I am getting very much knocked up - having to walk these long distances every day is extremely trying this weather. I have suffered from rheumatic pains in my limbs and a continuous gnawing pain in the pit of my stomach for some time past: I am in fact very far from well. All my time is taken up on the road & I can get no work done - what a thing it is not to have any money to buy a few books with. There will be ( I see by the paper) 9d in the pound income-tax instead of 4d which will just take another L5 note away from us - oh dear! oh dear! I have ordered some clothes or should shortly have been unable to leave the house. I wish I could have spent the money in books.
I shall wish to hear from you, as soon as you know, whether Mary is coming back - I believe now it was all only an excuse for leaving because she did not know what reason to give.
We do not get on very brilliantly at
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home - Kate had visitors to spend the day with her all Monday, without even mentioning it to me, for whom no doubt that meat pie was made. When I came home on Wednesday I heard a child crying in the kitchen - Robert, who had been at home declared it had been there all day and that he had heard it the day before & and that he believed it slept here. Then I heard it myself. Then yesterday George who had been part of the day at home asked me what child we had in the house - so he had heard it!! With regard to the food I have not been able to look after it any more - but she did not eat that fruit pie up the other day I was happy to see - indeed it would have been almost too preposterous. I have this day paid 11s 10d for milk, 8s 1d for a week beginning July 4th and 3s 9d for the next. I cannot tell that this is right it seems
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to me that you could not have paid up the milk bill as you said you would. Besides I paid 5s for the week - I suppose for washing but I do not know. I do not like having no one to keep house who I can depend on, & no time to see after it myself. George does not come home to dinner till 7 o'clock to night. Dr Todd does not get on with the work & I expect that when he goes he will leave it all in my hands & prevent my holyday.(sic) I do not know when Robert goes. Mr Green has passed the College of surgeons I am happy to say & has got one of Wigrams ships, 1st class, with passengers & emigrants. I am very miserable I don't know how to get back to Highbury now I am so bad. My best love to you dearest & the babes -Eddy has never written his note to me. How do they amuse themselves? Your loving hubby Edward miserable.}

Liveing Archive: Image Letters 9 & 10
British Museum
August 6^th 1859.
My own beloved wife, I shall be very glad to see you home again, I hope by Wednesday, when you will have been away a month. I had not time to finish my note yesterday, nor have I much time to day. I am sorry to say I have to go & dine at Hulke's on Wednesday next; you know how I hate dining out, and I have not clothes wh. will bear the light! The trousers were made by Hammond at Nayland 8 years ago, & the coat is nearly as old & tight in ye sleeves instead of loose. I am most deplorably off for clothes. I am obliged to wear out my new things directly I have got - (wh. is a great pity) for all my old things have gone to pieces; even my coat fr Smiths I cannot wear, it has broken out under the arm again & Kate has rent the lining. I caught my umbrella between my legs just now & broke the stick & tore the Kid
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of my boot!
I feel very low, in body and mind; not from being alone, which I rather prefer, excepting, of course, you & ye children.
They say cholera has broken out in some ships in ye Thames, from Hamburg, whence it always comes here.
I think, as it must be doubtful when I can leave, that you had better, after staying with me have few days, go straight to Yorkshire, and I follow you as soon as I can; for I am not likely to stay more than a fortnight there, and (three dots symbol for therefore) you will probably stay after if not before me & so it makes no difference & ye children are best out of London this time of year. But I don't feel quite sure what will be best. You did not tell me how the sickness etc was when you wrote last. I am anxious to know. Shall you want any more quinine before you return. I am vexed to think that I shall not be with ye children at Stoke at all
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I suppose you do not go to your Uncle's at all. You have not mentioned them, I think, once.
You never told me anything about the Storrs; did you see them?
The office of Physician to ye St James Dispensary is vacant. I would put in for it, only I am not a member of ye College of Physicians, which seems to be a sine qua now for everything.
Your ever loving husband
Edward
J. H. Bridges in his letter desires to be kindly remembered to you - what a cold message from a first cousin!
There is a little man sitting next me so exactly like Charley Hey, just the same look & manner & get up, but rather larger . If I go to Yorkshire I shall certainly go over to Leeds.

16. Census: England, 8 Apr 1861, 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX.
Edward is described as head of house married aged 29 MB Uni Camb MRCP. Practising as a physician born Nayland SFK

17. Edward Liveing: Letter to Mary Kate Liveing his sister, 10 Apr 1865, 52 Queen Anne St LND.
Liveing Archive.

52 Queen Anne St.
Apl 10 1865.

My dear Mary,
thank you very much indeed for the drawing of Tolethorp - not only is that a capital portrait but a very pretty drawing; & though perhaps in some details of trees etc less faithful than if you had sketched & coloured it on the spot, yet on the whole it has gained by the freedom of handling. We are all charmed with how nicely you have managed the body, and brought out all the details of the house - the warm glow is delightful -

You get Fanny's Great - Great \endash Great-grandmother was born there. (Edward then sketches the line)
Christopher Brown (Car I Car II)
Bridget Brown = Richard Torlesse
Christopher Torlesse
John T
John T
Henry T
Fanny T = E Liveing
Edward L etc
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I am glad to say uncle William is as well again now as before aunt's illness, & I cannot see why he may not go on indefinitely with care \endash at the time I felt sure he must die \endash I hope you will move to Copford for a time \endash there is great difficulty about the servant Maria; he will not be parted from her I fear.
Conversation \endash
(enter Maria with uncle's tea)
Uncle. "Ah Maria it's you is it" (face brightening up) "you're a dear !"
Maria. "Why Sir how can that be? I ain't got no horns" \endash (Dear)
etc etc

I have been suffering a good deal from indigestion \endash pain varies [?], & low spirits, & restlesness [?]. I wish I could get away for a few clear weeks in the country which I think might do me good & also give me leisure to do some writing which I
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can't get on with when there are so many interruptions. What with doing lessons with Eddie for 3 hours a day; a daily journey to Maida Hill, and the dispensary, besides the immeasurable odd things which there always are to be done, I have scarcely had any time to myself since Christmas for work. Poor Harriet is suffering from face ache again \endash at night especially. Fanny & the children have all been photographed \endash mum is pretty well \endash Harriet is on a parish committee of Ladies for directing the poor in ye cultivation of Wardour flowers! The chief art consisting in frequent washings of them. I suppose you and uncle are rejoicing in the warm weather. I hope it will dispel all his rheumatism. I suppose he will soon be thinking of a move into ye house. How gets on the Furniture? My love to him; I had nearly forgotten
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to acknowledge the receipt of his cheques, but fortunately caught the mail at Euston Square at 8 pm.
Poor Mr Bridges has quite recovered his illness, but not his mind \endash he is quite wandering & deluded at times, & rather difficult to manage. John was in town yesterday, on his way down.
With our united best love to uncle and yourself
Believe me ever
Your affectionate brother
Edward Liveing

18. Edward Liveing FRCP: Notes on his Family, 1870.
Liveing Archive IMG 3758/59/68
Posted to respective persons refered to.

Notes made July 1870 by Edward Liveing FRCP.
Capt Liveing (Snr) died October 1836 at his house at Harwich; his wife in January 1837 at her son Edward at Nayland. She was well when she went there and was taken with the epidemic of influenza then prevailing and died of bronchitis.

Capt William Liveing went to Weymouth about 1833 - 34. He had a house previously in Harwich (not the one he first occupied, in King Street next to his father's) belonging to Mr Thorogood bought by him for Capt Liveing's benefit. He was at Weymouth about seven years. The Lady Nepean was sold, at Harwich, the Govt giving Capt William Liveing £1700 (they sold it after for £400). All the captains of packet service at Harwich were ranked as Masters and Commanders so to secure half pay as naval commanders viz £150 or £120. Capt Liveing senior son was given a commission and the price of packet instead of he himself receiving a retiring Presentation.

Capt William Liveing's vessel at Weymouth was The Flavier a lady's name changed to the Firefly. He was paid £1000 a year in service perhaps seven years. The naval officers were jealous that he should hold a birth of this good kind and they persuaded him to retire on pension of hundred £120 this was done under cover of a medical exam and certificate that his eyesight was bad. There were disputes about the ranks of these commanders ye Harwich packets in Harwich. E.g. on one occasional sprig of nobility in a man of war went on Board Capt G Drum's packet and asked for the master, Capt Drum sent for the mate, saying this is the master. Are you not the master then? No, I am commander. Uncle Henry says they held an admiralty commission in post office services. Another dispute was that Capt Bridge was so elated by his intimacy to the Hope family and the Prince of Orange (whom he carried over) that on one occasion on his return, he indirectly hoisted a Commodores flag and a naval officer came and hauled it down.

Capt Liveing Snr began sea life with Capt Saunders who commanded the Revenue Cutter Argus. (He it was who picked up Major Money¹, the celebrated Aeronaut when he fell into the sea) it was while Capt Liveing was mate of the Argus (his uncle Saunders being drunk in bed) that Capt Liveing piloted the Baltic fleet into the Texel. (Lord Nelson in command) on another occasion ( . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ) he did the same office into Copenhagen had to sound perpetually to ascertain if there was water enough for the men of war.
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After serving in the Argos Capt Liveing Snr served in the Iris which he commanded (as Master). She was a rev [enue] Cutter and tender on the Adml in the Baltic fleet. He was at the siege of Boulogne, one of those unfortunate boating expeditions. Amongst other places of service he was specially commissioned, at one time to take Johnson a notorious smuggler who was supposed to convey tidings to the French, Capt Liveing was once in the same room to him without knowing it. At that time (the old war) too there was much privateering which gave the cutters plenty of work. Afterwards when the naval war was over his services were less in request and he joined the packet service; they were private vessels (that is the goodwill and vessels were bought by those commanding (or masters) but hired or chartered by Govt, for P.O. service. He had the Lady Nepean named after the admiral which afterwards went to his son Capt William Liveing. Capt T Liveing Snr twice conveyed the French Royal Family (except the King Louis XVIII) viz, afterwards? Charles X and his family to Holland.

Capt W Liveing Junior. There were not packets enough for the service and the commanders of them agreed to fund four vessels themselves and Commanders or Masters for the Govt at certain contract. Captain Liveing Snr had a share in this and the appointment of his son Capt W Liveing as master of one of them the Thetis. (He had previously served as a sailor on his father's vessel the Lady Nepean) Capt W Liveing lost the Thetis on the rocks off Jutland, Court-Martial of captains acquitted him. After that his father resigned his command of the Nepean in his favour, which he secured to him through his friend . . . . . Lord Bexley (the Honourable Nicholas Vansittart Chancellor of Exchequer and MP for Harwich Lord High Steward of Harwich (see Portrait in Town Hall)
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The same kind friend procured for his next son Mr Charles Liveing (who had been brought up as a farmer) the position of clerk In the National Debt Office, in which he rose to be Chief Clerk. (C Liveing was apprenticed to Mr Wallanger at Finborough, his father paid £100 per annum for his learning, wheat fell to £7 a load in 1822 and farming became a bad business).

Baileys of Harwich. "Grandfather Bailey was a member of Corp: and a builder (the house he lived in and built was that in West Street where Mr George Deane lived) John Bailey his eldest son, apprenticed to Mr Hopkins, a surgeon (attended the livings &) he became surgeon and wrote a tr on Bella donna plant. So good that University of Paris conferred Doctor of M.D. on him. He married a Mrs Brooks (of Ipswich?) A first or second cousin of Capt Liveing Snr of Harwich. Another son was surgeon at Thetford successful and two daughters Mrs Sewell Oakley Mrs Sampson Harwich. John Bailey some, were 1 John Hopkins 2 . . . . . 3 Brooke 4 Alen 5 Edgar and two daughters Mrs Head of Ipswich and the other engaged to a army cadet, who used to be at Tendering, broken off. Brooke Bailey married his cousin Emily Sanson) was killed at siege of Leone Etan.)
Old Hopkins became "clerk of ye check" and repeatedly Mayor of Harwich. Very wealthy £70,000. He put Mr John Baileys son J H B to college £500 per annum at Trinity College (Camb). He was clergyman at or near Baddow Essex (about uncle Henry's age) Hebrew scholar at Cambridge, was here and at Westminster School. Hopkins left £10,000 to Mr Hales who married Miss Catherine Stevens (once a sweetheart out of many of Charles Liveing. Very good looking he is now Mayor of Harwich (1870).

Grandfather Fenn of Cobham had one son Robert, Capt in Yeomanry, who succeeded him in house and farm (Rectory farm belonged to Longe) and married Miss Harriet Liveing, and four daughters two married men in Bradstreet one of whom was steward and managing agent of the grandfather of the present Sir N Brooke Middleton of Shrubland Hall by Ipswich and Coddenham one married Mr Goodwin of Stowmarket? a jack of all trades - sharp - like old Thorogood, children disliked him. Another married Mr Sherman farmer & miller.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money_(aeronaut)

19. Census: England, 2 Apr 1871, 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX.
Edward is described as head of house married aged 39 practicing doctor born Nayland SFK

20. Edward Liveing: Letter to Dr Monk, 25 May 1876, London.
Liveing Archive.
Re the inclusion of more details on Dr Richard Torlesse in the Roll of the Royal College of Physicians of London, commonly referred to as Munk's Roll.

52 Queen Anne St W.
May 25, 1876.
My dear Sir,
As I saw on the notice paper at the last College Meeting that it is proposed to issue a new addition of the College Roll, I send you some additional particulars respecting the family of Dr Richard Torlesse (Vol I p 364) in case you might think any of them worth inserting.
I am, Dear Sir,
Faithfully yours
(defaced)

Dr Monk.

40 Finsbury Sq EC
May 29, 1876.
My dear Sir
I thank you much [?] for the interesting particulars you have given me of Dr Richard Torlesse and his family. They will be of much use to me if the College determines to issue a Second Edition of the Roll - but nothing is as yet decided \endash I almost dread the labour of a new addition, so much new
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matter is there to be incorporated.
I got your packet at the college on Friday as I was leaving for the country from which I have just returned.
Believe me
Yours very truly
W Munk.

E Liveing Esq MD

Dr Munk's notepaper includes his family motto Non Dubio (no doubt) surmounted by his crest a Welsh Dragon

21. Edward Liveing: Letter, 31 Oct 1879, 52 Queen Anne St London W.
Letter to Charles Martin Torlesse re early Torlesse family - nothing of note in it.
For a fine rendering of the Torlesse arms see the file of Richard Torlesse [7108]

22. Census: England, 3 Apr 1881, 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX.
Edward is described as head of the family married aged 49, MD Camb MRCP Lon Physician, born Nayland SFK.

23. Dr Edward Liveing: Letter to Charles Martin Torlesse, 29 May 1881, Bourne Farnham SRY.
Ref : Bygone Days Pages 269 - 271 See Books section

" MY DEAR MR. TORLESSE, "
We have been talking and thinking much of you to-day, this being as we think, your eighty-sixth birthday, and we all, that is Tassie, Margaret, Willy and myself; desire to join in sending you our kind love and best of wishes for your 87th year. When we last heard of you you were thinking of getting into your garden again. I hope you may have been able to do so during some of the sunshiny days we have had, or if not yet that you will shortly be able. Here we have had some heavy storm showers since Friday, which the country needed very much, especially in this neighbourhood where the soil is exceedingly sandy and light and the hops just coming on. Perhaps you remember this part of the world in former years ? We are here about four or five miles of the chalk ridge of the Hog's Back, on what a few years ago was completely open heath country extending some 7 or 8 miles Eastward towards Godalming and southward to Hindhead where the Portsmouth road crosses the highest part of the sandhills overlooking Haslemere, before descending towards Petersfield. It must have been a grand country for highwaymen in days gone by, and indeed the site of the gallows on Hindhead is now marked by a granite cross where " the gentlemen of the road " used to swing, I believe almost within your memory. The country is still very wild and there are many miles of still open heath making glorious sheets of purple when the heather is blooming, but an extraordinary change has been effected in a much larger portion
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of late years, not so much by enclosure and cultivation as by planting with firs which seem to thrive in the sand where nothing else will, so that the country seen now from some of the higher points around looks like a piece of the Black Forest. I was talking to an old man the other day who was mowing the grass in Seale Churchyard (the next Parish west of Walter Holland's) and he told me he quite well remembered the first plantations made about 20 years ago, and the effect had been in that short time to make land worth nothing very valuable property. "Another charm of the country here is the winding course of the River Wey through it, forming a most picturesque contrast of scenery when you come upon it, with now a narrow belt of green meadows and now steep wooded banks, and running as fast as a northern trout stream. About a mile from this house is one of the prettiest points, the site of Waverley Abbey, of which some picturesque ruins remain. "The old man I spoke of just now told me, among other things, of the high prices he remembered in his young days during the old war, especially of bread and salt. He said they used to have to sell the whole inside of a pig to buy the salt wherewith to cure the rest, and that the price was a guinea a bushel. He went on to tell me a curious circumstance he remembered about salting a pig at that time, and he could fix the date he said, because he went to see two notorious malefactors hung at Godalming that year ; the circumstance was this : The pork was salted as usual but in a new tub, but when they came to take it out the salt was there as dry as when it was put in, nevertheless the pork was very fairly salted. " Have you seen the life of Dr. Whewell, just edited by his niece Mrs. Douglas ? I should think it might interest you. " It is strange and suggestive in these days of cramming and competitive examinations to find Julius Hare writing to Whewell of these as two great evils in 1843: I wished your Vice-chancellorship should have been distinguished by measures of greater difficulty and of higher importance to the University ; by an attempt at least to do something towards lessening those two terrible evils of our system, the practice of private tuition and the use of emulation as the one great spur to the acquirement
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of knowledge. You know how deeply I feel the mischief of these two evils. I believe it is very much owing to them that our position relatively to Oxford has altered so much in the last 20 years. Oxford has risen and we have sunk ; and we shall continue to sink unless we get rid of our system of drilling for parade and of our morbid stimulants, and adopt a system which will call forth a living power and train our students to walk without leading strings.' " Have you seen the Revised New Testament ? I have not, but from what I hear of it it must be very disappointing. Alteration of old familiar words and expressions where not really necessary, and where changes were really required the attempt to translate into the quaint old language of the authorised version. I had looked for a new version in Modern English, not to replace the old one but to be used with it by any who wished. This I think would have been worth the labour, though a very difficult task. " I hope we may see you some time in the course of the Summer or Autumn, and find you well. Looking forward to so doing I remain
" As always affect. yours,
" EDW. LIVEING."

24. Edward Liveing: Letter to Dr Pitman, 3 Feb 1882, 52 Queen Anne St LND W.
Re ancestry of Torlesse Family - mentions the son of John Torlesse of Hamburg, John Henry Torlesse, that he was born in Hamburg 1743, was engaged in the Spanish trade, and was believed to have resided in Cadiz.
Ruined in the Peninsular War he returned to London and died there about 1815

25. Dr Edward Liveing: A Memorandum on the Liveing Family, 1 Jan 1883, Tansor Northampton.
Liveing Archive IMG 3778, 3780.

Tansor Rectory 1 Jan 1883
Memoranda E.L.
My uncle Henry's grandfather Liveing died about the time uncle William was born (?) He was a kind of "King of Harwich" in the fishing trade - had about 40 smacks . . . . .
The two Mr Saunders (his wife's brothers¹) In Billingsgate received in London for the stop my uncle Henry's father (Capt Thomas Liveing) was youngest of nine children, one uncle Robert jumped overboard.
1. No her name was Sarah Hearn EHL 1919 stop
The old house in King Street Harwich uncle Henry says was said to have been in the family from the time of James 1st.
Capt Thomas Liveing was cousin to Mrs White a very well-to-do lady in Coggeshall (a relative of the Cleghorn's) who was in the baize trade there.
Uncle Henry's large coffee pot was Mrs . . . . . Of Polstead Hall left to Miss . . . . . Breadbasket ditto

Uncle William (Capt L) was a Grand Knight of the order of Charles 20th of Sweden his father used to say of him "Ah a pretty Knight indeed without a shilling to bless himself with".
Uncle Williams illeg son - Henry Cole of the National Debt Office - Uncle William went to see him and his children after his wife's death; told them he was their grandfather and gave them 20 guineas a piece.

Tansor Churchyard: brass or bronze ring to in form of a garter or strap and buckle. Inscribed MATER DEI MEMANTO dug up on south side of a grave now occupied by Mr Bonsor at date of his burial and bought by Mr Beale of Oundle retired clerk . . . . . The Rector Rev HT Liveing

Uncle Henry's copy of Stow's Survey of London by Strype belonged to the celebrated Mr Romaiue? (the clergyman or Divine in Prasadia) Mrs Govet was daughterof Mr Romaiue? and her husband Mr Govet was a friend of Uncle's and gave him the Survey in exchange for some divinity work Uncle had. This copy lacks the Southwark part.

The final paragraph describes Henry Liveing's oak bookcases made out of oak from the roof of the old Rectory house . . . . .
Ref: Edward Liveing 1883.

26. Edward Liveing FRCP: Copy of letter to Streadfield, 13 May 1883, London.
Liveing Archive. IMG3614/5

52 Queen Anne St
London W
May 13/83
Dear Streatfield,
The story of old Jones to which I referred was repeatedly told to different members of my family by the late Mr Harrold of Horkesley Park near Nayland, and was as nearly as I can tell it as follows.
At the time to which it relates Mr Harrold was a young man recently settled in practice in Nayland as a Surgeon. Mr Jones invited him one day to dinner to meet an old and intimate friend of his, Mr Kirby the entomologist¹. During dinner the two elderly gentleman got into conversation on the subject of second sight and the reappearance of the departed after death. Mr Kirby introduced the subject by telling Mr Jones that he had lately been in London and while walking down the
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Strand had met Mr . . . . ., A mutual friend of them whom they both knew to have been dead some little time. He spoke of having seen him with the utmost seriousness and gravity of manner, and Mr Jones received the information with equal seriousness and good faith Mr Harold however could not help letting a smile cross his face which could not escape the notice of Mr Jones, who, inferring that it betokened some degree of in credibility thought it right to administer a severe rebuke on his unbecoming and sceptical frame of mind, which Mr Harold of course took in good part.
I should say that Mr Harold died at an advanced age about 1840 (1765-1849)
Very sincerely
E L
Footnote.
1. William Kirby (19 September 1759 - 4 July 1850) was an English entomologist, an original member of the Linnean Society and a Fellow of the Royal Society, as well as a country priest, making him an eminent parson-naturalist. He is considered the "founder of entomology". Wikipedia

27. Edward Liveing: Notes of conversations with Frances Harriet (Fanny) Torlesse [1681] about the family, 1884.
Fanny was much travelled especially to New Zealand, she was the authority on her side of the family, writing the valuable family history "Bygone Days". (See the books section of this website).

Edward's writing was in the tradition of his profession. The webmaster feels inadequate in respect of a transcription and invites those interested to make their own sense of it.


However the following names under headings are not known in this pedigree:
Weyland, Chisnall, Boggis, Merton, Barford, Norfolk - they seem to refer to residents of Stoke & Thorington Suffolk, Fanny Torlesse's home.

28. Edward Liveing: Notes of conversations with Frances Harriet (Fanny) Torlesse [1681] about the family, 1884.
Fanny was much travelled especially to New Zealand, she was the authority on her side of the family, writing the valuable family history "Bygone Days". (See the books section of this website)

Edward's writing was in the tradition of his profession. The webmaster feels inadequate in respect of a transcription and invites those interested to make their own sense of it.

However the following names under headings are not known in this pedigree:
King, Wilson, Harrington, Jones, Lilly, Triggs, Cook, Bluett, Hammond, Button, Hill, Dyer, Munnings, Browns of Polstead, Maude, - they seem to refer to residents of Stoke & Thorington Suffolk, Fanny Torlesse's home.

29. Edward Liveing: Copy of his letter to Dr Munk, 4 May 1887, 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX.
To Dr Munk with thanks for Dr Richard Torlesse's autograph, he was unable to help with the date of his death.

30. Edward Liveing: Copy of his letter to vicar Charlton Kent, 5 May 1887.
Liveing Archive

5 May 1887.
My dear Sir,
I am desirous of ascertaining the date of the death of Dr Richard Torlesse formerly a Fellow . . . . of this College as our role is defective in this particular, and I think it possible you may be able to help me.
Dr Torlesse resigned his office in the college Sep 1708 from increasing age and ill-health and in 1717 his widow Bridget married again the Rev Mr Thomas, she was buried in Charlton Churchyard, as I learn from Lyons, who says there was a tombstone to her memory there in 1796, but the date of death was then eligible [Dr Lysay Guvernor [?] of London 4d , Vol iv. p 334 1796/7
Dr Torlesse lived in Bridge Road, St . . . . . London, but he was not buried there. It strikes me that he may have been buried where his wife afterwards was, would you be so kind as to see if his name occurs in your register between the dates above given ?
If not troubling you too much I should be glad to know the date of his wife's death, but that is less important.
I am dear Sir

To.
The Rev Charles Swainson
Old Charlton Rectory
Charlton
Kent

31. Edward Liveing: Reply from Rev C Swainson, 19 Jul 1887, Charlton.
Liveing Archive

Edward Liveing Esq MD
Royal College of Physicians
London.
Dear Sir,
In answer to your letter dated 5th May last addressed to the Rev C Swainson I beg to inform you that the Register of Burial has been searched but no record appears of the Burial of Dr Richard Torlesse.
The Rev C Swainson desires me to apologise for the delay in replying to your letter, but owing to his absence from home your letter was overlooked.
Yours truly
E L Burnett
per cs

32. Edward Liveing: Letter to his son E H T (Eddie) Liveing, 11 Aug 1887, Ambleside Cumbria.
Liveing Archive Images Letter 6d - 6k.

Blea Tarn House Little Langdale Ambleside
Wednesday 11 Aug 1887
My Dear Eddie,
I was very glad to have your note which arrived shortly before we left home when I was very busy finishing up the College business. We left for this part earlier than I had intended, because we found unless we came here at once we could not have these quarters (which we like) at all as they were let later on. Aunt C. & I and Ma "Bloater" came here after a great scrimmage (sic) to get off on Thursday last. Harry and Margaret, who had been staying at Chobham, came on Monday, and Molly has arrived from Qⁿ Anne St today . Some of us have been up the Pike's and also Bo(w)fell (sic) on both of which we found the remains of large Jubilee Bonfires, the iron bands which kept them together & the empty petroleum cans, various rocket cases & sticks. Men were employed here at 5s a day for weeks carrying up fuel etc? After all the result as seen from below, the people tell us here, was like a lantern on the top only. I hear there was a very fine one on Scafell Pike, but we have not got as far. We have had such a long drought & intense heat in the South since May that it seems quite a strange experience to find the air here keen & fresh and everything green instead of burnt up. Notwithstanding all this the year has been remarkable for the perfection of the tree foliage, and very strikingly so in London where the trees in all the squares parks and Gardens were still quite thick & quite green when we left, it appears due to the very late winter we had which made the spring a whole month behind, this late coming out seems always
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favourable to trees. Aunt Mary's illness of which you had not heard, consisted of a very severe attack of sciatica or pain at all events, in her leg & hip, entirely preventing her getting any ease or sleep for many days & nights and confining her to bed as any movement aggravated it. My belief is that it was not true sciatica which is a neuralgia?, but pain owing to inflammatory action in muscles or ligaments or tendons coming on at some time after a fall she had by not seeing well & sitting down on the edge of a chair which let her on to the floor. She still has a nurse with her who can manage her and make her comfortable - her poor stupid maid cant, In consequence partly of her man Coton's ill health and partly of his neglect and a want of any efficient head to look after things - her garden had been left to become a wilderness & her household much demoralised This is a pity as such conditions are far more easily prevented than cured. Harry's long illness which kept Charlotte away five months contributed by preventing her going to look after things there. And we had got to such a muddled state at home with our own stupids that it was absolutely necessary for her to stop at home as soon as she could get there. Margaret has been with her most of late, but she was unfit to go at one time, the care of the house at home having been too much for her. If no new misfortunes come I trust now we may get on better after we return and once more get into working grooves and get some things done & old arrears of all kinds which have accumulated cleared off. The last quarterly meeting of the College I had to conduct alone and
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read or speak for nearly 2 hours as Sir Henry P was taken ill and unable to leave his bed. He has gone to N Wales to recruit where he has taken a large house at Llanfairfechan, & he has made myself and Meg promise to go and spend a week there on our way south, a great trial to me, & involving bringing dress clothes etc north and encumbering us, but it was kindly meant & the dear old man would not be refused. He now tells me she (sic) shall not resign just yet (this time last year he called at Qⁿ A St & told me he should not continue after the opening of the New Hall in April last) not until the lease of his house expires which is not for another year or more. Personally I am glad for I am not master of half the business of the College's precedents for guidance in various cases as they arise, & I know no one else except himself who is, very much of both having grown up under his own management during the last 30 years. For myself it can only be acquired gradually as cases arise and by study of the Annals. To be able to answer all kinds of questions put off hand at a College meeting by any fellow is by no means an easy acquirement for a new hand or head rather. The Wilson Browns have left Assington Vicarage & gone to stay in Ipswich for a change - near Mrs Brown's mother, and sister (who is slowly dying of cancer of the tongue, poor soul!) Sam Brown went with H Mosley and Sarah Mosley a spar tour in Brittany and spent a day or two with us on her way back. She is a nice child I think, and simple, with all her learning and information which is considerable. I took her over the College. John Bridges has let his house for 3 months to a (sic) an old Lunatic (probably dementia) lady & her attendants, & gone abroad with his wife.
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Yes, I was very much interested in the Jubilee celebrations in the Abbey. Sir H. was afraid to go and so I went as representing him, with a Vice president, two Censors and Treasurer. We had good places above the Judges in S. Transept - 8 or 10 feet below the Triforium level. We had an extremely good view of the Old Lady and her immense family who occupied a large crimson dais in the centre under the lantern, with the Chair and Stone of Scone for the Queen & gold chairs for the family including the grandchildren of sufficient age. Round the dais was an extremely handsome ormolu railing brought from one of the palaces they said. Of course we could see nothing of the procession entering or coming up the Abbey. The performance was very unlike a religious one, and the music was execrable for the most part, poor in composition & thin in performance; and tho' we sat there for 2 hours in advance we were not relieved by any music or organ performance. In fact it was a very unworthy concern in that department though a very great success in every other. I never saw and could not have believed that so orderly & well behaved a mass of people could have been brought together. The puzzle to me was how to get there - having to go in scarlet robes & be there at 9 or before. A week before I had ordered a carriage; but Sir H. talking to me about it said his man had asked him L3 or L4 for one and advised me to see what mine was going to charge. Then I found that probably the carriages might never get up to the Abbey and so I countermanded it altogether. I started early & walked with my robes in a bundle to Baker Street about 8 - found the next train with abundance of room & booked for St James Park (our tickets were by Dean's Yard & Cloisters) - Long before we got there every carriage was full & the centre with people standing as many as could force themselves in. I got out and walked along a carriage way kept clear by police without difficult(y) (sic) to find an assembly of people in every sort
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of court costume in Dean's yard. There I struggled on my robes & joined the rest. I thought very often both before and since of Barney Maguires account of the Coronation but a jubilee crowd is not what it was then, and the "cakes & apples in all the chapels" & free ingress & egress to a certain portion of the Abbey for all comers could never be again as it was so then. I heard through Duckworth whose brother was officiating as one of the Canons, that the organist had orders to blow out every stop in the organ over night to make sure that no dynamite had been lodged in any pipes etc. A good many people present in some form belong to the Abbey. I do not know whether I told you the history of my securing a letter of your G G G G Grandfather Dr Richard Torlefse thro' the kindness of Dr Munk¹. One day he bought a long extract from a M.S. diary kept by a Dr Young of Plymouth at end of 17^th & beginning of the 18^th century; it contained an account of his examination for the licence as a Physician - very amusing indeed & very Pepys like. He thought it would interest Pitman & myself and he lent it me to copy, when I got it home I found it contained complete details of the exam as conducted by the Presidents House, Sir T Millington by himself and the Censors of whom Dr Torlefse was one, with amusing remarks on their various characters and manners - then "Dr so & so a grim and sour old man" and at the end he wound up with - "but sweeter men than the present & Dr Torlefse I never met". When I returned it to Dr Munk I said how much amused and interested I had been in such a lively picture of the College a century and half ago and then added "but it has been an interest for me quite independently for Dr Torlefse who figures in it was my childrens four times great grandfather in a single line on their mothers side" He then said
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"If that's the case you would like to see a letter I formerly had of Dr Torlesfe's; if I can find it you shall have it." He did find it and gave it me - it is his letter to the President when he fell into ill health & the gout, owing partly to the trouble & poverty which had come on him resigning his office of "Elect". It has his little seal with the stork crest - rather rudely executed. There are of course numerous entries in our annals (which go back to H(enry) VIII) of his share taken in College business; I have noted a few but have not had leisure to look them up. Dr Munk furnished me with another piece of information about him which helped to fill up a blank & reconcile a difficulty. There were of Dr Torlefse's children, besides Christopher & Anthony from the former of whom you are descended, & who took their names from their mother's family, the Browns of Stamford, two other sons at least, one "Richard Torlefse Jnr." who witnesses a will of one of the family and William Torlefse of Barnards Inn Holborn, buried in St Andrews Ch. yard Holborn, who bequeathed his money to his dear friend Mrs Bleunerhafset, and cuts "his brothers Christopher & Anthony" off with a shilling" The wills of old Christopher Brown of Stamford and his son bequeath money on the contrary to Dr Torlesse & Christopher & Anthony only of his children. Now Dr Munk showed me an extract from the registers of the Savoy Chapel containing the marriage of Dr Richard Torlefse with Mary (De Cardonnell). I cant remember the rather peculiar name. This was evidently a former marriage & Richard & William the children of it and only half brothers to Christ^r & Ant^y. Having Dr R Torlefs's writing, with the letter of Christopher's I found in the Brit Mussm,- and the family bible of his son John, and at least the will, probably letters also with the Torlefses, of the 2^nd John (Mr Torlefses father at Stanmore) we have the series of handwritings from contempy of C.(arles)II downwards, Dr Monk found me the earliest signature of Dr Torlefse on his admission to the College to show me
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its firmnefs as a young man compared with his last letter. I also wrote to the Vicar of Charlton, near Woolwich, where Bridget Torlefse his 2^nd wife is buried asking him to search his register about the time Dr T died to see if he had been buried there too. His answer was in the negative & I have now no doubt he was buried in the grave of his first wife wherever that may have been in London, not impossibly in the Savoy Ch or yard. I enclose a Dividend Warrant from the Glasgow Tramways Company for
L1 18s 9d which requires your signature within 3 months. Frances is at Lowestoft with her children I think I told you. We were to have gone to Switzerland walking cheap? this summer and did not intend to have come here again, but Harry's long illness exhausted both my own and Aunt C's funds , tho' we both have a little increase from Uncle Henry's now, so that we could not manage it. I was very sorry to hear of your being kept waiting for instructions to proceed with your shaft when you might as well have been at home. It was very provoking, also your being still kept waiting for your steam pump, I think it very wise of you to have built a little place & office for shelter next the works against the coming winter. But we hope to see you ere then. There are Aunt C., Harry, Miss Rands, Margaret Wolly & myself all sitting writing in a little room 11 feet square, or 11 X 12 625 feet above Ord^ce. Dat^m. The heat has been intense and suffocating in London for 3 months & Duckworth writing me from there a few days after having been a short run to Scotland said the air in London felt solid like wool
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Here we have it quite cold & fresh like October early mornings and evenings and emerald green grass & deep shady siccamore (sic) trees, & a good deal of rain of course Best love from us all Ever your affect^e father Edw^d Liveing
1. William Munk - <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2434914/pdf/brmedj08696-0054a.pdf>

33. Letter to Edward: Asking for a referral from Rev George Dewe, 30 Dec 1896, Felthorpe Norwich.
Liveing Archive 48a-d LT5
Postmarked Norwich 7 PM DE 3096 1d lilac stamp
Notes: 31 Dec 96 answered. Rev George Dewe 30 December 1896. Hand writing very poor
Written on 4 half sheets both sides of one piece of paper

Felthorpe Rectory
Norwich
Dec 30
My dear Edward
A friend of mine suffers from chronic lumbago or some kindred ailment for which County doctors prescribe in vain, and he would like to consult a London "Specialist".
If you know of any such practitioner whom you can specially recommend, I should be much obliged if you would kindly give me his name and address.
I hope you have better accounts of George who was evidently very ill at the time of Charlotte's death, and a fellow of his college whom I much lately spoke of him as looking sadly broken. He must, in a way, feel his sisters loss more than any of you, as he is alone - and to him enforced inaction must be a very . . . . . . . trial.
A card will be quite sufficient answer to my enquiry, as I know you're time
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is precious.
With kind regards and every good wish for 1897 to Mrs Liveing and yourself
believe me
Yrs very sincerely
G.D. Dewe

Addressed:
Edward Liveing Esq MD
52 Queen Anne Street
London W

Transcribed E L Fenn 2015

34. Edward Liveing FRCP: Letter to Lionel Cresswell, 13 Feb 1898, Seeking data for Stemmata Alstoniana.
Liveing Archive (C Buxton CD 5 Apr 2009)

Draft of a letter to
Lionel Cresswell Esq
Woodhall
Calverley
Leeds

52 Queen Anne Street
13 February 1898
Dear Sir,
I am much obliged to you for your letter and for sending me a portion of the Alston genealogy (as I learned for the first time) which you are completing and which keenly interests me.
It is quite true that very any years ago I tried to solve the problem of the connection of our branch of Alston's with those much better known, believing that they all emanated from Boxford in Suffolk or its neighbourhood and like the Waldegraves some had become wealthy in the once prosperous clothing trade in that part of the country. With that view, as leisure gave me the chance I searched the old Alston's house at Nayland which there contained a great number of old wills settlements deeds referring to Alston's, which had come into the office either the way of business or had been collected by George Alston Rector of Studland who years before had devoted himself to the same search. I photographed a few I think. I also obtained a large number of extracts from I think the Boxford and Newton Hadleigh and perhaps Edwardstone registers of births deaths and marriages. I also searched the Register books of the Boxford Grammar School which were kindly place at my disposal by the Trustees.
As my brother has told you I also searched the Will office of the Archdeaconry Of Sudbury at Bury St Edmunds, for a week and noted many wills. My object however there was not a search for Alston's but for any materials they could afford with reference to the great industry of . . . . . which has long since died out
I also took down from members of the family long since dead all they could remember or had heard on the subject and extended the Alston pedigree of George Alston. I also searched in the British Museum especially Davy's Suffolk collections and I wish to say in passing that Davey put down everything he could get from anywhere regardless of authenticity and some of his tables are not compatible with others.
The lamentable end of it all is that more important things compelled me to put the whole matter aside without any complete collation of the materials, though as far as I went I had not succeeded in finding the missing links with the main stock.
I have these papers somewhere in the house, and I think given time I could find them and separate these from others but may have difficulty in this: I am not as young as I was and much slower, and the work as Registrar at the College is getting too much for me. Consequently, excepting for my autumn holiday when I get far away from London, I have rarely a minute, most Sundays included, to call my own; and if there is an abatement of work there is always such an accumulation of arrears, things which have been pushed aside for matters more urgent at the moment, that I am no better off. What length of time can you give me?
As regards the sheet you have sent, there is much which I could correct and add with the help of some members of the family. Thus with respect to Catherine Mary Alston Downing, my mother, I can give children and grandchildren correctly with a little time to refer to the family Bible which is in the keeping of one of my brothers or sisters I don't know where. By the way my mother name was not Alston only Catherine Mary Downing. There are many corrections and additions wanted in the parts you have written across in blue and this suggests they have been already supplied though I do not know from what source. With regard to the two families of George Alston of Studland I could only correct them by applying to some of his descendants which you appear to have done. Edward Graham was a contemporary of mine at Cambridge MA from Trinity College. He was a barrister in London but got tired of waiting for a practice. I don't know how recently you have been in correspondence with Dr Fenn and Mrs Alston of Nayland Dr Fenn is a man of much leisure residing at Greyfriars Colchester and inherited a large Alston property and I know that he has given attention to the genealogy of Alston's at Nayland. He too is within easy connection with Mrs Alston of Nayland who is the oldest surviving member of the family and when I last saw her in July still quite vigourous though approaching 90 I think she is the Margaret of your line. Some years since she told me she had had visits and communications etc.
With regard to Sir Edward Alston who was president of the RCP in 1655/67 I can add nothing to what Dr Monk has collected as he ransacked the College Archives I kept the college manuals and they have been kept from the time of Dr Caius 1555 but they are records of College business and not biographic in any way.
So with regard to Samuel Alston of Leicester he did not marry one of the Pare's family but a stressor I think that's the name my brother would know all that best, she was my godmother.
It occurs to me to mention that Margaret Alston of Nayland told me some years since that she had visits and communications from a Mr Alston (I think a clergyman of Norfolk not as old as herself, but either of her own or my generation, who was greatly interested in finding our branch. This could not be your correspondent the Rev A.E. Alston of Framington of (a grandson of her half brother George,) relatively a child and well-known to her.

35. Census: England, 31 Mar 1901, St Marylebone LND.
Edward is described as head of house aged 69 physician surgeon born Nayland SFK

36. Census: England, 2 Apr 1911, 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX.
Edward is recorded as head of a house of 15 rooms married aged 79 a doctor of medicine physician retired born Nayland SFK. There were 3 servants in the house, a cook, a housemaid and a parlour maid.

37. Margaret Fripp: Letter to Edward Liveing, 14 Jun 1914, 23 Glenmore Rd Oxton Birkenhead.
Liveing Archive 264a-d M E Fripp 25526 to Dr E 14 Jun 1914.

23 Glenmore Rd
Oxton
Birkenhead.
14 June 1914.
Dear Dr Liveing
I cannot tell you how much I value your kind gift of the portrait of George Downing it looks extremely well in my drawing room. The man who is bringing out the Fripp pedigree is Mr F A Crisp, F S D Grove Park Piers,
270 Walworth Rd
London SE
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I know nothing of him except that he wrote to me, and to others 10 months ago, asking for various bits of information about our family.
I shall be glad to send you any details that you would like to have and that you do not yet possess.
Perhaps the best way will be for me to tell you what I have and
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then you will tell me what you want. I have the Botle or Bowles Pedigree (the Lincolnshire family from Alaine de Bolle,) 1216 to 1746.
Those who have studied the subject most, are convinced that our own branch is one and the same with this, but there is a gap about 1640. We cannot be sure about the father of Charles's Bowles of Chatham (Rome House) and also of Rochester born 1640
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but from then till now, our pedigree on the Bowles side is quite straight and clear.
Then I have a M.S. book in which I have gathered all kinds of interesting information about the Bowles. This pedigree and this book I will lend you for two or three weeks, if you like, and if you will be kind enough not to allow them to go out of your own possession.
My M.S. book contains a copy of the Burial
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Registers of St Swithins London Stone of which I spoke to you, and which were given to me by the churchwarden.
When I lived in London I searched the M.S.S. in the British Museum and found some very interesting bits of history there \endash you are welcome to take a copy of anything I send.
The "Fripp" papers I
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have lent just now, but can lend them to you in 3 or 4 weeks time.
I have an old book by Rev Cayley Iillingworth once rector of Scampton were the Bolles lived.
This is very interesting and I also have a book, less trustworthy called "Notitiae Ludae" or "Notices of Louth"¹ printed by William Edwards, of
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Louth but anon.
The date is 1834, Mr Illingworth's book was my father's. I inherited it from him and value it highly. It was a great pleasure to me to come and see you.
With kind regards to Mrs Liveing and yourself.
Yours very sincerely
ME Bowles Fripp.
I have a note that the Rev George Downing was Canon of Ely. I wonder whether this is true?

Footnote.
1. Notice of Louth William Edwards
https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=Yg4HAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR1&lpg=PR &dq=Notice+of+Louth+William+Edwards&source=bl&ots=DI3zO2gt6e&sig=ACfU3U1kYuZmFOoPNoyMUF6EGc6LqNzP3w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYnPj1lJ7oAhWhQ3wKHdOsAYsQ6AEwCnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=Notice%20of%20Louth%20William%20Edwards&f=false

38. Liveing Family Memorabilia: Documented & Sketched mainly by George Liveing.

Edward married Frances Jane (Tassie) TORLESSE [145] [MRIN: 74], daughter of Lieut Henry Boden TORLESSE R N [1622] and Frances HAWTHORNE [1623], on 29 Aug 1854 in Stoke By Nayland SFK. (Frances Jane (Tassie) TORLESSE [145] was born on 12 Nov 1831 in Tasmania Aust., baptised on 22 Nov 1831 in New Norfolk Tasmania, died on 3 Aug 1885 in 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX and was buried on 7 Aug 1885 in Stoke By Nayland SFK.)

Edward next married Harriet Susan BROWN [146] [MRIN: 75], daughter of Rev James Wilson Davy BROWN [1593] and Anna Maria BRIDGES [1714], on 15 Aug 1893 in Rectory Church Marylebone London MDX. (Harriet Susan BROWN [146] was born in 1867 in Hinton Martell DOR, died on 21 May 1950 in Sussex and was buried on 26 May 1950 in St Mary Stoke by Nayland SFK.)